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Geothermal Energy

Posted March 31, 2010 10:38 AM by baumah

How Safe is Geothermal Energy?

The world may be trying to go green, but some places don't have to try very hard to create a small carbon footprint. Klamath Falls is one of them. The small Oregon city has been using geothermal energy to heat homes, businesses, and sidewalks since the early 1990s. The city's manager remains modest, however. "We didn't know it was green," he explains. "It just made sense".

Global Geothermal Energy

In 2005, some 24 countries generated a total of 56,786 gigawatt-hours (GW•h) from geothermal energy. This amounts to only .3% of worldwide electricity consumption. Geothermal energy isn't small because it's new, however. In the Lisan Mountains of China, there's a hot spring that has been used for bathing since it was build in the third century by Qin Dynasty.

Enhanced Geothermal System

Today, geothermal energy requires hot rock close to the surface, water, and cracks in the rock for reservoirs. The Enhanced Geothermal System is a new type of geothermal power that can pump cold water at high pressure down an injection well in the rock. The water then travels through fractures in the rock until it eventually comes out hot from a second hole. This hot water can be converted to electricity through either a steam turbine or a binary power plant system.

Geothermal Dangers

One of the biggest fears involving geothermal energy – especially the Enhanced Geothermal System – is the possibility of some seismic activity from drilling holes in the rocks and pumping in highly-pressurized water. In Basel, Switzerland a geothermal plant had to be shut down after an earthquake of magnitude 3.4 with 60 aftershocks shook the town.

Costs and Risks

Drilling isn't just costly. It's risky. Geothermal wells can cost $10-million (USD) to drill and have a failure rate of 20%. The cost of drilling the well makes up about half of the costs.

So do you think geothermal energy can satisfy of our energy needs for the future, or are there too many risks – and not enough benefits – to move forward on a large scale?

Resources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_geothermal_system
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/22/tech/main6321633.shtml

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03/31/2010 1:20 PM

Nice quick summary! As with most processes, I believe the cost will decrease and the efficiency increase with practice. Until it's economically feasible to practice the process (i.e. research costs drop or other other energy source costs increase), I don't believe it's worth pursuing.

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03/31/2010 2:32 PM

Thanks,

If they could bring down the cost of drilling the wells Geothermal Energy would look much more attractive as a source of power.

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04/01/2010 1:00 PM

Drilling of geothermal wells is the same processes as most any other wells, the well casings and such are slightly different than some wells, but all are common available materials. The drilling processes that are used have been adapted over hundreds of years for petroleum and deep water. So you really should not expect to much change in the capital cost of construction, at least with regards to the wells which comprise about 50% of the capital cost, since it will always represent a small portion of a already large and relatively well established industry. In essence it is similar to the auto industry developing more biodiesel vehicles, not a lot will change from the cost of existing deisel designs, since the processes remain esssentially the same. however, it may become economically viable as you mentioned when other energy sources become more costly.

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03/31/2010 11:39 PM

Geothermal energy can be from ambient temperature wells found on most domestic sites. The requirement for high temperature bedrock is not essential beyond the ambient temperature. Ambient temperature of ground water is generally the annual mean temperature for the area you reside. Where I live on Wolfe Island Ontario, the ambient ground water temperature is about 50 to 55 degrees F.

Many ground water heating systems operate on open loop. This means that the water pumped from a well is processed by a heat transfer pump similar to your domestic fridge. It will extract the heat from the water and then the water is returned to the ground by an injection or return well. Each gallon of water pumped can produce about 80 BTUs on average. So all you have to do is pump enough water to supply your demands. A house requiring 20,000 BTUs of heat/hour would require a well producing about 4.2 gpm. Where I live and in many jurisdictions it is mandatory to return the water to the aquifer. Just return it far enough from your extraction well so they don't impact each other.

The well drilling costs need not be exorbitantly high and the payback can be very good at present fuel costs and most likely a much better payback in the future. All in all not a bad investment in a house.

A closed loop system can be vertical or horizontal. Closed loop means you don't pump water but rather an exchange medium of saline water or glycol. This medium is never removed but is recirculated in a horizontal piping buried in the yard or through a series of vertical pipes. Closed loop is often preferred for various reasons (particularly if water treatment is an issue).

Larger systems may require hot rock formations as found in the article but most domestic sites are capable of providing shallow well geothermal energy to provide domestic heating.

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04/01/2010 8:38 AM

I agree with what you're saying, and in Minnesota shallow (horizontal) closed loop home systems are the most common. They can greatly reduce a household's energy consumption, and it looks like their payback is around 5 years.

These domestic systems work toward reducing energy consumption, however I think that the blog was referring to geothermal for large scale energy production. In that case, no I do not think that it can satisfy our energy needs, but it is still part of the renewable energy puzzle. As already demonstrated in some areas, there is definitely merit to exploring geothermal as an energy source.

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04/01/2010 8:32 AM

I did the controls design work for a system in Klamath Falls. It was designed to provide heat for eighteen buildings in the dowtown area and was commissioned in the early 1980's. It consisted of 2 production wells which were capable of providing 500gpm each at up to 270°F. After routing through the heat exchangers, it was reinjected about a mile away from the production wells. The closed loop portion of the system was maintained at 160° and energy was metered for billing purposes at each building. The system had some issues with the CPVC pipe which was used for the closed loop portion.

Every area is different and an engineering study should be performed at each prospective site to determine which system type (if any) would be economically feasable.

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04/01/2010 9:59 AM

Right - my uncles family lived in K Falls in the 50's and İ remember geothermal being used then - this story is kind of off in that respect. Due to various problems use of geothermal is losing it's attraction. Drilling isn't so easy and İ believe the 20% failure rate is highly optimistic. There have been problems with new sites being exploited causing earthquakes. The water coming up is some nasty stuff to handle being loaded with anything soulble that is down yonder. One poster was referring to a geo-exchange system - a ground source heat pump which is a totally different animal. OİT (Oregon İnstitute of Technology) does a lot of work wiht geothermal and is known around the world. When İ was a kid it was OTİ but guess they had to change with the times!

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04/19/2010 9:19 AM

The one problem I have seen with Geothermal is the system we reviewed used a glycol solution. I asked how the system would be tested or checked to be sure they don't dump glycol into the ground and have it show up in the drinking water wells.

No one is in charge of checking the system after it is in use. They have no state or local AHJ that will do any yearly testing.

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04/19/2010 12:31 PM

Ethylene glycol or propylene glycol? One is toxic and one is not.

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11/14/2013 9:03 AM

ANY to date?

"state or local AHJ that will do any yearly testing."

GEO THERMAL any thermal, even just below grade as well

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