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Nikola Tesla’s Pound-per-Horsepower Engine

Posted June 21, 2010 10:29 AM by dstrohl

In October 1909, Nikola Tesla filed his first patent for what has since become known as the Tesla turbine, a rather simple machine consisting of a stack of closely spaced and smooth-sided discs. The turbine takes advantage of a fluid's properties of adhesion and viscosity to either pump that fluid with input from an electric motor or to use the motion of that fluid to turn the turbine as an engine.

A few months after filing a subsequent patent on the turbine in January 1911, he approached the automotive periodicals of the day, touting the turbine's practicality for automobiles.

Both The Automobile and The Horseless Age described the turbine in detail, noting that it could run on any fluid, including steam or gasoline (the latter properly mixed with air and ignited in a preliminary combustion chamber). The Automobile reported that, as a gasoline engine, the turbine could achieve 60 percent efficiency; as a steam engine, it could achieve 95 percent efficiency.

Tesla claimed that a larger engine of the same design installed at the New York Edison Company's Waterside station made 200hp off of 125 pounds of steam pressure, and that he could develop engines that would weigh between one and four pounds per horsepower.

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06/21/2010 10:39 AM

and that he could develop engines that would weigh between one and four pounds per horsepower.

1 to 4 pounds per horsepower.....that sounds like a pretty big spread.

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06/21/2010 1:54 PM

While the 1 to 4 HP figure sounds impressive, that doesn't take into account the source to drive it.

Many of the DIY experimental versions of this motor use compressed air to drive small turbines, but to generate enough power to drive a car requires some very large source of compressed gas or a source of flowing fluid.

This is why you do not see these motors driving vehicles. While I think there are one or two examples of these motors actually employed as a working device, the rest are cosigned to novelties of science. However, they are certainly fun to build.

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06/21/2010 8:58 PM

I have doubts about the 60% gasoline and 95% steam efficiencies, both of which I suspect exceed the Carnot efficiency, and thus would not be possible.

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06/22/2010 9:55 PM

This type of turbine has been public knowledge for a long time, has been thoroughly investigated, but is still not widely used.

So, what's the reason? A vast evil conspiracy or they don't actually work very well?

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06/23/2010 4:19 PM

The link for Laminar-flow disc pumps:

http://www.discflo.com/

These are popular in paper mills.

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06/23/2010 5:09 PM

I think the Italian Tesla Pump is the same idea.

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06/23/2010 11:30 PM

Can someone please explain to me what "125 pounds of steam pressure" is? Is it actual pressure (PSI), mass flow rate (lb/sec), or another measure.

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06/24/2010 12:12 AM

It is a shorthand (and imprecise) way to to describe PSI, which are correct units (as are SI equivalents).

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06/24/2010 10:44 PM

Thankyou for the clarification; as a soon to be Engineer in the rail industry, knowing the terminology associated with steam will be an entertaining history lesson. However something seems to be missing from the design calculations expressed, how are the horsepower ratings of the steam (not the turbine) being calculated to give the efficiency? It would be an interesting excercise to put my hand at to test my knowledge as a near graduate engineer. I understand that steam tables can be used for this calculation, but the whole concept of horsepower to pressure seems an unreliable measure of a power to weight ratio (what is typically the desired metric for an engine); is this perhaps because the infrastructure required to produce a higher pressure steam represents greater weight?

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06/24/2010 11:49 PM

A "boiler horsepower" is defined as 34,025 Btu/h. I think this is because of history (boilers maybe some 20% efficient at the time this definition was adopted). A more modern analysis would compare thermal energy input (so many Btuin of fuel value) with dynamometer output converted to its Btuout equivalent. Then efficiency = Btuout/Btuin. I haven't run boilers much or recently, so these comments might not be entirely right.

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07/03/2010 12:12 PM

Tesla claimed 5 to 10 horsepower per pound, not 1 to 4 pounds per horsepower! That is a big difference.

"I can build a steam engine that will develop one horsepower for every one tenth of a pound of weight," was the instant and amazing response. "I am now building a double turbine, one with two wheels which must revolve in opposite directions. It is for a special purpose, and I cannot talk much about that, but each wheel develops 200 horsepower, that is 400 horsepower, and it weighs 88 pounds." - Nikola Tesla, from "Motor World", September 18, 1911

Tesla's claim when he started his Tesla Turbine company, was that he could develop 5 horsepower per pound of engine weight.

With recent high-temp carbon nanotube and ceramic materials, it may soon be possible to make over ten times that amount, i.e. 50 horsepower per pound of engine weight, with a Tesla turbine.

In contrast, a modern airplane turbine makes about 2.5 horsepower per pound of engine weight.

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