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Sub Makes Unexpected Find Under Floating Ice Shelf

Posted June 23, 2010 1:50 PM

From NPR Topics: Research News:

Scientists have been trying to understand why a glacier in West Antarctica has been melting so quickly, so they sent a 20-foot robotic sub underneath the thick, floating ice to play detective. The small underwater mountain range it found could be a case study for other neighboring glaciers.

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06/23/2010 4:45 PM

Everything was plausible until I got to the 5000 D cells part.

The sub looks like a WWII torpedo.

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06/23/2010 9:20 PM

Heh, I started getting this altered reality feeling at "Yellow Submarine"!

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06/23/2010 9:36 PM

I was thinking about calculating the weight of 5k D cells, but then I said "THAT is what "THEY" would want me to do.

I do like the part about the one sub returning all beat up.

Somewhere there is a P'd off whale.

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06/23/2010 11:41 PM

I have worked around UUV's for the last 14 years. And yes, the concept of using primary cells as an energy source has been used as a cheaper alternative to very expensive secondary cells. Another advantage is that primary cells typically have a higher energy density than secondary cells so you get longer run times. I worked a manned-submersible program for 12 years and at one point, during a battery system upgrade, one vendor proposed doing just that (D-cells) for an energy source. Needless to say, that proposal didn't fly for our requirements, but they actually worked up a solution that did meet the energy requirement. The inability to replenish or recharge on the host did however scuttle that particular idea.

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06/24/2010 9:02 AM

Brave Sir Robin,

Have you had any experience with salt water batteries?

I ask, because I had the opportunity to disassemble a sonobouy with a salt water battery as the power source.

The battery seemed to have significant power density (unscientific observation).

The sonobouys were manufactured by Raytheon and from what I was told, very expensive.

Could it be that these batteries are cost prohibitive?

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06/25/2010 1:35 AM

I'm not familiar with salt water batteries. I have experience with lead-acid, silver-zinc, and li-ion batteries. A Google search did not turn up much other than science demos. No indication of a commercial market. Let us know if you find out anything.

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06/25/2010 4:26 PM

I should have used the term "salt water activated".

Anyway, here is a link: http://www.armedforces-int.com/article/seawateractivated-batteries.html

The sonobouy was military and I am sure there are at least several thousands of them on the bottom of the North Atlantic (They scuttle after a prescribed period).

They were amazing devices, with a co2 deployed antenna, telemetric communication with information on deployed hydrophone depth, water temp and hydrophone direction among other things, all powered by this battery about the size of a standard six volt lantern battery.

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06/30/2010 4:41 PM

Interesting link. Thanks.

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