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NASA Finds New Life

Posted December 02, 2010 10:19 AM

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Hours before their special news conference today, the cat is out of the bag: NASA has discovered a completely new life form that doesn't share the biological building blocks of anything currently living in planet Earth. This changes everything. At their conference today, NASA scientist Felisa Wolfe Simon will announce that they have found a bacteria whose DNA is completely alien to what we know today. Instead of using phosphorus, the bacteria uses arsenic

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12/02/2010 10:59 AM

NASA announced that not only does the bacteria rely on arsenic as one of its building blocks, but that it also thrives in amazingly poisonous climates, such as that of current US political discourse.

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12/02/2010 11:22 AM

So you're saying the secret of Sarah Palin is solved?

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12/02/2010 11:29 AM

It didn't say if any old lace was involved.

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12/02/2010 2:08 PM

Life will find a way!

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12/02/2010 10:41 PM

Sadly, so will Sarah Palin

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12/02/2010 6:52 PM

The claim of alien DNA was an error, too bad. Just an ordinary bacterium from the same old earth-life genome, adapting to its environment...

How long before arsenic puppies and kittens are available on ebay?

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12/03/2010 2:29 AM

"How long before arsenic puppies and kittens are available on ebay?"

"Single Celled to Multi-Celled in just a few Generations"Boraas,M.E.,Seale,D.B., and Boxhorn,J.E.(1998) Evolutionary Ecology 12:153-164

Boraas, M. E. 1983. Predator induced evolution in chemostat culture. EOS. Transactions of the American Geophysical Union. 64:1102.

Time between multicelled life to puppy like land animals ~700Million years.

What concerns me is this data was known and available many moths ago. IOW this is not news. Question is "Why the ultra big hubbub about it? Is this leading up to a later more significant revelation?"

You don't have to fear the reptilians because humans are toxic to them? (As if being eaten were the only thing to fear from aliens). People will fear regardless simply because they are other, unknown/unknowable. The unshared history and lack of common ground alone would suffice to "alienate" the aliens.

My thoughts are "Could any species travel interstellar space without mature nanotech?" I fail to see how any species with mature nanotech could survive if they had members with psychotic or antisocial tendencies. Your mind will get made right, fixed, if you are not right in the head.

I realize this is a lot to infer from an announcement about microbes, but it was so much more than that.

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12/03/2010 3:04 AM

These microbes THRIVED in a Phosphorus free environment. It's not just the phosphorus on the DNA that got swapped but every Phosphorus using molecule in the cell. For instance the cell membrane consists of Phospholipid bilayers. It must be constructed substituting Arsenic. The power molecules for EVERY active function of any cell are ADP & ATP, (the P stands for Phosphorus).
This is a much bigger deal than it is made out to be.

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12/03/2010 1:26 PM

Agreed, it is a fairly big deal to swap out phosphorus with arsenic as a fundamental building block in membranes and power transfer mechanism in the cell, and fair enough to call this an arsenic-based life form (insofar as you would call us "phosphorus-based life forms".).

But the microbes didn't do better without phosphorus; they acknowledged that there was some power loss involved, ie arsenic is not chemically ideal cw phosphorus. My impression was that the microbes could still utilize phosphorus and would soon switch preferentially back to phosphorus if it was available. They will probably want to use GMO techniques to test if the energetics are good enough to support multicellular life..... arsenic fishes will probably come before puppies.

The experiment does show that life could be found in places where phosphorus is scarce, if arsenic is abundant, so changes the astrobiology search parameters.

I've often wondered about life forms using different elements in important molecules because of relative abundance - thinking of the chlorophyll/hemoglobin situation, where the same basic molecular structure takes on a different role by substitution of magnesium vs iron. There are other metal ions that might fill the bill, if they were abundant enough to be preferred in the evolutionary process..... I wonder if a silver ion version of hemoglobin/chlorophyll would produce a life form as different from us as we are from plants..... very possibly I guess.

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"I wonder if a silver ion version of hemoglobin/chlorophyll would produce a life form as different from us as we are from plants..... very possibly I guess."

Look into the blood of horseshoe crabs. :-)

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Unlike humans, horseshoe crabs do not have hemoglobin in their blood, but instead use hemocyanin to carry oxygen. Because of the copper present in hemocyanin, their blood is blue. Their blood contains amebocytes, which play a role similar to white blood cells for vertebrates in defending the organism against pathogens. Amebocytes from the blood of L. polyphemus are used to make Limulus amebocyte lysate, which is used for the detection of bacterial endotoxins.

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12/03/2010 4:17 PM

Interesting. This ingredient from the crab is used in an automatic in line detection for bacteria in water supplies. In line and alarmed, controlled by SCADA and gives an immediate alarm if bacteria are present where they shouldn't be found. Lot of potential. The system was developed by friends (Dr. Ley, pictured, has been my mentor and suffered a recent serious stroke) .

Bacteria that have arsenic connections have long been suspected in groundwater. I don't believe these microbes substitute P but are implicated in releasing arsenic into the water supply. Sulfur bacteria reduce the ore arsenopyrite to mobilize arsenic. These same bacteria will mobilize lead from lead ores, and barium from barium ores. The consortium of bacteria in ground water are often exotic, so I would not be surprised to find such microbes as in the article in these so called alien environments. It is an understudied problem in ground water and can have further reaching benefits for astro-microbiologists and can be found on/in earth.

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12/03/2010 4:47 PM

Right you are, I left out the crabs' hemocyanin and blue blood. I guess they aren't so terribly different from us.. but different enough!

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12/03/2010 6:33 PM

This could be a cure for arsenic poisoning if used quick enough? The bacteria would devour it, but die after it is used up.

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