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What If I Train Them And They Leave?

Posted March 02, 2012 9:00 AM by Milo

What if you don't train them and they stay?

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03/02/2012 2:03 PM

What if you train them over and over and they can get right. And you can't get them to go away.

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03/02/2012 5:27 PM

When all other work options have failed or they have failed in all other work options there is always management!

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03/02/2012 8:36 PM

If you train them right, they won't think about leaving...................they'll be partners working towards a common goal.

If you don't train them and they stay.........................you are a crappy manager, and they work for a union, not you.

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03/02/2012 9:06 PM

You think that's bad? My son sent this from the college where he works. No he is not a sign painter.

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03/02/2012 11:49 PM

It's no longer about doing well, it's about thinking that we are. The chasm between the two is large.

I suspect that your son will be just fine. A sense of humor always helps.

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03/03/2012 9:48 AM

My son is doing great; I'm very proud of him. Plus he calls at least once a week and we often talk on the phone for an hour.

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03/03/2012 10:29 AM

The weird thing is that both of the illustrations show "attention to detail", something preached incessantly.They lost the big picture, they were so busy planting the trees that they forgot the shape of the orchard.

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03/03/2012 10:34 AM

This is an important and valid observation. By focussing on tightly controlled work instructions /details, we deny our employees the chance to grow. I for one want to be told "Why" not "How to.". I don't think I'm alone on this. Great point. Milo

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What If I Train Them And They Leave?
This is classic management and HR muddlethink.
If you look after your employees they will stay, but if they do go you'll employ someone else you will benefit from their training end experience the've gained elsewhere.
What goes around comes around.
A company can't expect to always benefit from others training whilst not supporting their own workforce, unless of course they pay enough to get those hugely motivated individuals who will train themselves.
Of course a cheapskate company who doesn't train isn't going to attract such individuals and instead will have a management who just complains about the workforce and a bunch of unmotivated employees who don't know what is required of them.
Envolve the employees in what they are doing, make them feel they are contributing to the product, same goes for management, get on the factory floor, see what's involved and talk to the people getting their hands dirty.
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Are there any examples of this? Apart from John Lewis and, if the exec on Radio 4 is to be believed, Sainsbury's?

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To what specific 'this' are you referrrrrrring?
My rant post was quite long so I donn't know which bit you mean

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My bad.

The general concept of a good company involving its staff rather than envolving....

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Your bad what? You really do need to be more specific
(tee hee scampers off looking for feathers and string)
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My bad mood now.

<hides all the feathers and string. Yes, Del, all the feathers and string in the whole wide world....>

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same goes for management, get on the factory floor, see what's involved and talk to the people getting their hands dirty.

I always had the greatest respect for managers that were willing to roll up their sleeves and get their hands dirty.

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I agree with you, kramarat. I get stuck in whenever possible.

The exec from Sainsbury's was defending "shelf stacking" as an entry level job. When asked if he had ever stacked shelves, he cheerfully replied "Every Christmas at my local store, usually in the wines and spirits department as that tends to empty out quickly at that time of year. I aim to get down there for about two weeks"

In John Lewis (department store) and Waitrose (supermarket in the same group), every employee must "walk the floor" as part of their initial employment and, I believe, periodically throughout their career.

I'm sure it was the Sainsbury's exec who pointed out that not all of the jobs they offered were shelf stacking and customer services - he mentioned logistics and engineering as others. I had to sit down...engineering being mentioned on national radio!

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A retail engineer?

Now that would be worthy of a blog all by itself!

See what you can dig up.

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PMSL!!! You're right - worthy of a blog.

[I think he meant maintenance and building engineers...shhhh]

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03/06/2012 3:47 PM

There is more than one type of employee in any business.

Oldtimers are more likely to be resistant to change; no amount of training can help because they know it all. They are also more likely to stay, regardless of your training regimen, because of their age and lack of prospects in the industry.

Younger employees will require training due to their lack of experience. Training regimen or not, they will leave if they are not challenged. Thinking they will stay just because they've been trained is wrong.

In other words, who cares if they leave or not? Your duty as an employer is to train them so they don't kill themselves, kill someone else or royally screw your business into the ground. Gone are the days when you could work your whole life with one Company. Expect them to leave.

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03/06/2012 3:55 PM

Well stated. Good analysis.

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03/06/2012 4:04 PM

Thanks!

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03/07/2012 1:46 PM

When you hire someone, they come with all the experience and training from their past jobs. You have to pay them what they are worth on the open job market, or you will never fill the position.

When you then train them, you give them more skills, and experience. Consequently, they are more valuable in the marketplace, and more importantly they are worth more to you. Yet wages and rewards seldom seem to reflect their increased worth. Frequently, a person has to move to another company to prusue their career and raise their standard of living.

Your older, more experienced employees stay longer because they are paid at the level comensurate with their skills. They don't make drastic increases in their worth in the marketplace, so the grass isn't all that much greener on the other side.

If you want to keep the employees that you train, pay them what you would have to pay to replace them at their higher level of skills and experience. Otherwise, the grass will be greener somewhere else, they will be gone, and you will start training all over again.

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Well stated. Milo

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