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Innovation: Where Do Good Ideas Come From?

Posted May 28, 2007 10:49 AM by mrice@babson.edu

Innovation starts with a good idea, and a good idea starts in the mind of a creative individual. What's a good idea? When we told Craig Wynette, the manager of Corporate Ventures at Procter and Gamble, that respondents in our study on radical innovation said their firms had no shortage of ideas, he said: "Yeah, right, but I challenge them to tell me how many of them are good ideas." By that he meant how many really had the potential to become breakthroughs.

Creativity is one of the characteristics that make us human -- but generally we think some people are more creative than others. Since innovation is defined as "the introduction of something new" (Merriam-Webster Online), the likelihood of having an innovative idea is diminished if the focus is on execution in the ongoing business, i.e. doing what you've always been doing as perfectly as possible. When people have innovative ideas based on their ongoing work, often these ideas are incremental. Don't get me wrong. Incremental ideas can be very useful, particularly when they are in response to requests from customers for improvements in existing products and services.

However, good ideas as envisioned by Craig Wynette, i.e. ideas with breakthrough potential, often come from connecting things outside your everyday domain with things that are part of your normal routine. You can catalyze this kind of thinking on your own, but your company can also support creative thinking and innovation by valuing good ideas and by implementing processes, systems and structures that support the discovery, development and commercialization of innovation.

In our study of radical innovation in ten large, R&D intensive companies, here are some of the ways companies supported idea generators.

Leaders signal that they value innovation and actively seek good ideas by declaring "strategic intent", i.e. that the leadership wants the company to be innovative. For example, a common theme in the strategic vision statements of many companies today is "growth through innovation." Leaders can follow though on strategic intent by issuing a request for proposals. The former CEO of Texas Instruments said: "We need to grow. Find me businesses in the white spaces between our existing lines of business." Result: TI formed a new business development division and issued a request for proposals that generated hundreds of new business ideas. One of those ideas turned into the digital light processor -- DLP -- that drives half of the world's projectors.)

Sometimes an industry is confronted with a "holy grail" challenge. Thirty years ago I was part of a solar energy R&D project. At that time, the holy grail for the alternative energy industry was energy storage. What do you do when the sun isn't shining? In the elevator industry, the holy grail was tied to Frank Lloyd Wright's design of a mile high building many decades ago. It couldn't be built because there was no practical way to move people and goods up and down the building. So when the President of Otis Elevator challenged his R&D organization to come up with breakthrough innovations, he said: "Find me a solution for the mile high building problem." That's pushing on an industry holy grail.

Companies can also implement specific approaches that are enablers for idea generators. These examples are drawn from our longitudinal study of radical innovation mentioned above.

· Think tanks

Jack Kingsley, the researcher who originated the idea for the digital x-ray medical imaging device, was enthusiastic in describing the periodic think tanks GE convened, bringing together people from a variety of units and disciplines. He said he had more good ideas during the day and a half think tanks held quarterly that in the three months in between.

· Promoting connections to external sources of information

For some years, three senior technical people gathered periodically over lunch to review ideas submitted from outside the company. In evaluating one of the ideas, one of the reviewers explained why the idea violated the laws of thermodynamics. But in evaluating that idea, he came up with a new approach to designing a hybrid vehicle.

· Forecasting exercises

At IBM Steve Depp, an early participant in technology forecasting, projected the the increase in display resolution, reduction in power consumption and increase in memory storage that would enable an electronic book. Although IBM didn't pursue the idea of an electronic book, the technical advances found their way into IBM notebooks and laptops.

· Adding opportunity recognition to technical reviews

At DuPont a technology review of the discovery of a new material for electronic displays included Terry Fadem, the head of corporate business development, who was invited by a research manager to attend the review and to assess the business potential of the technical concept. After the review Fadem engaged in intense due diligence with his internal network -- generating lots of additional idea generation and development -- that led to the formation of a project team to pursue the idea.

· Creating an idea "sand box"

At Nortel Networks, the broadband division was seeking approaches to stimulating adoption of broadband in the home. Three smart techies were assigned to an idea sandbox for six months to explore all kinds of possibilities. What emerged was a concept for renting software over the internet, which eventually morphed into a digital rights protection project.

How much is a good idea worth? Common wisdom says ideas are a dime a dozen. That just reflects the reality that good ideas need to be converted into innovations and ultimately into new businesses that generate economic returns to the inventors, innovators and entrepreneurs. However, all mega-businesses were once small businesses and all small businesses started with zero revenues -- and a good idea.

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05/29/2007 12:42 AM

This subject is big.

I don't have difficulty in coming up with dozens of (to me) "new ideas" every day. I've been doing it my whole life and this capability has served me well.

I however also feel that there is nothing new under the sun. (I was never a good latin student but...) Latin for "know" is "cogno / cognare" from which comes a word that we often use... "RE-COGNIZE"... to know AGAIN. Our mind process reflects what we ALREADY know with opportunities / problems that we have already experienced, perhaps in another life?

We humans also FORGET that we are blessed / cursed with the capability to FORGET. Most of us humans are simply lazy to remember things, and so when we get an inspiration to create something, we think we are the greatest gift to humanity but we already knew this before.

So I'm saying that we humans are good at rearranging already known ideas to solve the problems of the day. In the introduction to this thread, the aspect that was not mentioned is the behaviour of the RECIPIENTS of these new ideas... i.e. our customers, or those people who are going to use / benefit from these "fancy new whizz-bang ideas". I have some experience and ideas on the behaviour of these users / customers that I could present, depending on how this thread develops. I think that the understanding of the behaviour of our customers is critical to successful innovation and entrepreneurship.

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05/29/2007 3:14 AM

Bravo Neil! Your theories are the closesest but may I add that a gathering of solid informations on the subject is necessary to avoid re re rediscovering Americal like the opportunist Christopher did. He gambled on the total ignorance of his contemporanies. Many people before him have disembarked on the "american shores"... A navigator from Marseille (PYTHÉAS )knowing the land masses of Europe and Asia has reckonned (in -380 b.c.) that an other land mass must probably lay in-between... Socrate Hatoum

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05/29/2007 4:34 AM

Everything which exist in this universe is repeating in sequences of milloin of years.

THEREFORE NOTHIN NEEDS TO BE INVENTED EVER !

EVERYTHING IS STORED ALLREADY IN "HEAVENS" BIG HARDDISK AND BY MY EXPERIENCE I OBSERVED; THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THIS HARDDISK AND OTHERS DONT HAVE ACCESS.

Perhaps due to behavoir or relation to the universe ( God) and our own intellektual aktivitys some of us are predeterminated to get the "big Ideas" downloaded.

I have observed many really creative people and ther was something far away from dailiy expected reality!

Think about it and find the way to the big HDD...............

Regards Alfred Deubler - Las Palmas de Gran Canaria

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05/29/2007 7:46 AM

Its my experience that new ideas are repellant to manufacturures today, everyone is so bombarded by change they just want stability and carry on producing the same old products. I have developed a low tech light source that requires the minimum of voltage (0.35-1.1 Volts) and works over the massive range of + or - 3mA to 10 Amperes AC or DC. It is intended to place thes devices into circuitry to enable observervation of electrons by turning some of them into photons. The polarity of current is discriminated by different colours and volt-free outputs that can relay information to a seperate machine are also provided. Its powered by current only and being able to see electrical current via light signals makes troubleshooting or gaining confidence that everything is working properly by monitoring the conditions prevailing. Its a godsend to automation engineers that they can fit and forget at low cost, increase functionality of circuits without more wiring, but can I find anyone interested, certainly not the big button pushers. All I want is a reasonable licensing deal and an outfit wanting to profit from simple, easy to make technology.

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05/29/2007 10:23 AM

Your invention has immediate application in electronic engineering courses, to make laboratory setups that would allow students get a real picture of what is going on in any circuit. Even in the case of fast oscillating circuits, it is possible to design a time-scaled circuit that allows understanding the behavior of each component.

You should apply for a patent, because this is an invention, and then present your ideas to a university like Stanford in Palo Alto.

In high power electronics, the possibility to "see" currents in expensive transformers is perfectly possible, may be combining your invention with optical shutter goggles to synchronize the phase at any angle, for example to see at once all currents in a power switcher converter. That depends on the color frequency response of the light sources.

Also, if the physical principle of your invention is scaled to the nano scale, then it has applications in understanding the behaviors of microcircuits under the microscope, because it would allow seeing currents flowing through complex traces, this may be interesting to study the behavior of some digital finite state machines currently under development at Xilinx Inc. http://www.xilinx.com/

Your invention has applications in nano technology, and the "masters" in venture capital for these ideas is Draper-Fisher-Jurvetson, you may contact them through their web page at

http://www.drapervc.com/

The applications of your idea are so massive that for sure there is a Giga market waiting. The problem is how to contact the CEOs of your client companies, but patenting is first, at least filling the patent application before offering the idea.

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05/29/2007 12:54 PM

I do have the patents for America, UK, France and Germany. Couldnt afford anymore, these have cost me $120,000+ and this cost has contributed to denying me the finance to get it manufactured myself. You are correct in your estimation of its value to students learning about such things, without the finances to buy oscilloscopes. this could be described as an osciloscope for under $10 retail. It could also benefit from micro miniturising even smaller than what I have managed to achieve by hand. I have built one inside a 20mm fuse but its current capacity is limited to 250mA.

Electrical control circuits can also benefit from increased functionality while individual circuits can be eyeballed for there correct function without test equipment. Closed-loop feedback information from remote solenoid valves (or any binary entity) is easily achieved without the expense of any extra wiring, just the same wire that supply the solenoid and a few extra bits and pieces. I am aware of its potential, its the reason I have placed my Life savings on patenting it but to get interest from a manufacturer is an awfully difficult process. Honeywell, ABB and Rockwell wont speak of NDA agreements despite the device winning a Silver medal at Europes largest Inventions Fair in Geneva.

I thank you for your interest and advice, you can be sure I will pursue it, but just cant help being a little cynical after the fruitless efforts made to date.

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05/30/2007 4:32 AM

IF YOU ARE A "SMALL GUY" WITH GOOD IDEAS, THEN THE FOLLOWING MAY BE FOR YOU:

I have a number of concerns with patents:

WHAT IS A PATENT?

I'm sure there are more formal definitions, but for the layman this summary could help:

A patent is a CONTRACT! And as everyone knows, in a contract there are at least TWO parties to the contract, with rights and obligations on each side. The owner/inventor (this could be one or more people) is the one party, and the other party is the "public" at large. The contract goes like this, the Owner/inventor says to the public: I have this "fancy new invention" and I will tell you (the public) about it, on condition that you (the public) do not take this "fancy new invention" and exploit it for yourself; because I the owner/inventor want to exploit it for myself... so that you the public can then also benefit by getting access to the FRUITS of my "fancy new invention".

So in most peoples minds, they THINK by taking out a patent will protect them, but I don't believe that in practice they are protected. "The public" will take your ideas and reorganize them and exploit them and get around your patent. They can see that you are a "small guy" This is all well supported by the intrigue of the legal system (you know how lawyers like to fight and argue because this puts bread on their table)

If you want to use your invention to put bread on YOUR table, then DO NOT go the legal/patent route. If you go the legal/patent route, all that will happen is you will put bread on lawyers tables. Very few patents see the light of production, but all have fed the lawyers well through the aborted birth process. I believe that patents are not for the small guy! Only if you have sufficient funding and the WILL TO DEFEND your "new idea" could you take out a patent; but then it should not be ONE patent, but rather a STRING of patents to protect your idea.

The small guy should rather use his money to develop the technology of his "fancy new invention" to sell the idea to an appropriate and well targeted company; but of course don't disclose the guts of your idea to the company while you are selling it to them. A patent is of more use to a large company that has the financial resources to defend their patents. You should rather sell your idea to a company in such a way that part of the package deal of what you are selling is:

· You will write and deliver the patents in the name of the company to whom you are selling

· The company will then OWN and defend their patents

· You can still remain the inventor, who must get his rewards

And so in summary, "small guys" should rather use patents as a marketing tool, that you sell to an interested company. This enables you to rather spend your money on developing the product further. Do not tell the public because they will rip you off. Rather put the benefit of the patent in the correct place of large company ownership.

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05/30/2007 7:43 AM

That is precisly what I have been stuggling to do but getting the attention of the big button pushers is a mammoth obstacle. You are right about encouraging none involvement with patents and about the odds being stacked against the small guy, its my experience the inventor is on a whipping for nothing.

If I had invented a truck that consumed a tenth of the fuel that normal trucks consume, yet carried > 500 times more load capacity without damage you would think it would be easy to sell the truck. This is what my invention achieves but instead of truck technology it concerns electrical systems and Light emmiting diodes which are incrediibly useful devices for signalling electrical conditions with a list of advantages not least their long service life and resistance to shock. What LED's are vunerable too is overcurrent and although their requirement for forward voltage is low (2-4 volts depending on colour) I have managed to drive them from a fraction of a volt (0.35-1.1 volts over the current range of 3mA to 10 Amperes) and in the current-mode. As well as providing a visible signal as to a currents presence it discriminates its polarity through different colours and also provides 2 Volt-free, isolated to 5kV outputs.

Because the device operates in the current-mode it can be placed into any AC or DC electrical circuit to expose what that circuit is doing. This at first may seem to be a novelty product to the uninitiated but believe me it will provide powerful, simple solutions at low cost in just about anything electric that requires monitoring continuously. Makes me wonder wonder how the inventor of binary counting sold the Idea, can you imagine the verbage from his detractors? you want to count in 1's and 0's?

I aplologise for ranting , my excuse is the total frustration I feel, and the resentment at what appears to be intellectual snobbery I appear to be subjected too. This dosen't just afect me, it pervades my whole familly who have to watch me beat myself up trying to sell this, I believe, godsend product. You see for yourself would-be inventors, this guy is suffering from chronic paranoia, I admit it.

There must be someone honest out there who wants to profit and make the world of electrics easier, safer, less cost, more functionality, transparent to the eye and to machine. The last century has been dominated by electrical technologies, in this century it will be photonics that will dominate. My device is a versitile interface between electric's and photonic's and I'm sure not going to let it go without a fight.

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05/30/2007 9:33 AM

"... total frustration I feel, and the resentment at what appears to be intellectual snobbery I appear to be subjected too. This doesn't just affect me, it pervades ..."

Dear Docrobgar,

Unfortunately I have nothing else to offer you than my sympathy, as I (and my family) experienced the same frustration some years ago!

As a neurosurgeon, I observed that most patients injured in motorcycle accidents got severe brain lesions if not wearing a helmet... but many of those who did had cervical spine fractures due to the increased weight of their head.

In 1999 I invented (and patented) a helmet with an self activated inflatable collar, to protect the cervical spine.

To make a long story short: about 18 months later, a patent was granted to someone else for the same invention in Spain.

After getting depressed for a time, what where the options left? to sell everything we had to raise money for going to court... or to forget the whole story?

No need to say I am still alive, cause I took the second choice!

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05/30/2007 9:46 AM

Hello Docrobgar,

I'm with you and feel for you; I've also been cursed with the capability to innovate, and I have also committed myself down various paths like yours through my 35years of working life as an electrical engineer. Many people think it is such a benefit to be able to innovate, but it can lead one into very turbulent waters… I know this.

My expectations that I have created for myself are that my "fancy whiz-bang ideas" MUST be accepted and embraced by industry. One of the big problems why my expectations are usually NOT met is that the "big button pushers" (as you describe them) are very reluctant to change their own status quo; i.e. they have invested so much of their company's capital into avenues that determine their present course, and any deviation from that course will normally have COST implications. (Most people are STUCK in their lives!) So big companies are always steered by small course changes rather than massive step changes. Any change in the way of doing things must be motivated by cost/benefit analysis of the change to the company. If you can motivate it to them on a cost/benefit analysis, then there is no debate; they must accept your product. You will need to address every concern that they have, in order to get the sale.

I always had difficulties in getting people to accept my ideas, when in 1987 I had the good fortune to attend a marketing course by a man called Alistair Stewart, who ran business management courses here in Cape Town at the time. I then learned WHY my technology innovation driven expectations were not met. The essential that I learned was that THIS LIFE is not about the TECHNOLOGY or the "fancy whiz-bang products", this life is about PEOPLE. I.E. the RECIPIENTS of the products / services.

This marketing course taught me that there are TWO kinds of products: COMMODITIES and NEW PRODUCTS; and the marketing principles involved with the two are utterly different. Commodities are products that everyone knows about, such as petrol, toothpaste, clothes etc… the marketing principles at play with commodities are the FOUR P's: Product, Place, Price, Promotion, and anyone who has done some basic marketing will have learned this. Companies selling into these commodity markets have to BUY their slice (percentage) of the market.

The next issue to consider is the nuts and bolts of every SALE of a product or service that takes place. There are SIX steps to every SALE; these are

Step 1: Awareness People need to be made aware of the product (or service) existence

Step 2: Education People need to learn about the product (or service)

Step 3: Interest People need to learn how it can benefit them

Step 4: Try it People need to experience it

Step 5: The Offer People need to get offers they can't refuse

Step 6: Close the sale People need to get that warm fuzzy feeling to submit to the purchase

Now for commodities, people KNOW all about the first 4 steps, so sales are normally centred around steps 5 and 6. But the first problem with selling "fancy whiz-bang products" is that all SIX steps need to be made for every customer, and this COSTS!!!

To exacerbate the problem, there is another PEOPLE characteristic at play, and it goes like this: In any given population, people exhibit the following characteristics

  • 2% of the population are innovators (these people latch onto an idea and they immediately see how it can be used, and it's benefits)
  • 10% of the population are the early acceptors (these are the people who look to the innovators and say 'did you see the "fancy new whiz-bang gizmo" that Harry has just got, I think we could use it')
  • 33% of the population are the early majority (they don't want to miss the bus)
  • 33% of the population are the late majority (they get dragged along)
  • and the rest are the LAGGARDS (they never believe anything ever!!! You know those people who still refuse to use PCs)

Now obviously we all want to migrate our "fancy whiz-bang products" into the commodity sector, so that we can live happily ever after… fairy stories are great, eh?

So Docrobgar, your problem to migrate your "fancy whiz-bang product" into the commodity sector means that you will be constrained to first market (SIX STEPS) your ideas to the 2% innovators; don't even try to sell it to the rest of the population because they simply are not ready. So, go and first find the innovators around you.

Next step, devise your marketing efforts to get the early acceptors to grasp the ideas from the innovators. Don't expect volume sales from these groups. This takes time, unfortunately.

Next step, market to the early majority. This is normally when your sales start paying back. Up until here, you need to have huge lungs to finance your "fancy whiz-bang burden"

GUEST who responded to you in this thread is in the 2% innovator group, because he latched onto your idea and came back with enthusiasm and ideas of where and how your product can be applied. You must work through these people... they are GOLD, but they usually will not put bread on the table for you. That will come later through 33+33% majority who WILL buy your products.

Hope this helps…

Neil

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05/30/2007 9:53 AM

Hi NeilJ

YOU ARE MY HERO!

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You have my utmost respect for trusting in yourself to try... this is GREATNESS!

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By golly I got some words of wisdom there from Nielj and r&ddoc and I thank them gratefully for it. That must be the secret to make them an offer they cant refuse? I have been concentrating on making them aware of my product, they want to sell, not buy, dont they? Dont they realise that ignoring a possible future they risk loosing an entire business of the outdated products they make today? I shall have to seriouslythink this one through and try a different tack.

You are definetely right in saying that the art of invention is a curse, it is, one should not stray into its clutches without being aware of its capacity to engulf the whole person in a trial of endeavour that makes Olympic sport, Mountain climbing, or Lone round the world yachting insignifficant by comparison. But when I think about it maybe people who try at any endeavour just have similar machocistic tendancies built-in, is that why we are collectively called the human race?

Many thanks again,

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Dear Bob,

Based on what NeilJ said, we probably belong to the 2% of the population cursed by the capacity of inventing new stuff... and there is nothing we can do about it: our brain is 24/7 dedicated to improve or invent of all kind of objects and processes (even while we believe we are doing something else!) Depending on the way we take this, it can turn into a nightmare or into something fascinating.

By the time I was dealing with the patent for my "Airbag Helmet", I started performing a procedure called Vertebroplasty. Problem was that most of the materials used in those days for this type of surgery (it consists in injecting bone cement into fractured or osteoporotic vertebral bodies) were absolutely inadequate.

Some time later I had developed a better cement application system and some ideas of how to improve certain characteristics of the bone cement : After my experience with the patent for the helmet I knew perfectly well what way NOT to go! So I decided to knock at the door of a company that manufactured medical devices here in my country ... I have been working since that very day at this company, and "my" device is very well sold in a lot of countries!

My story is just to encourage you to follow the way you have already started: if the path you are following leads to an dead-end, return and try the next one... I bet you´ll succeed!

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05/30/2007 5:21 PM

Hello Bob,

I agree with r&ddoc and also encourage you to listen to your heart. Stick to what you believe in, even though it is painful. It is OK to change direction by learning from your previous direction. Nothing is good or bad, it helps to simply accept it the way it IS!

If you are interested, take a look at some of my stuff that I have created which is very similar to your line, and I can tell you that each of these products has come with its own birth pains. I work a lot with electrical SAFETY.

www.suretech.co.za

Go Bob go,

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06/06/2007 12:59 PM

Your technology excited everyone here, including me. However, I see your Geneva silver medal as trouble because the big fishes you mentioned as refusing to sign NDAs cannot do reverse engineering without being exposed. I also know some gold medalists who happen to be my co-nationals and none of them licensed any invention. Very unfortunately, that shiny invention fair is just a good place for spying on small guys with huge ideas.

Without trying to be cynical, I suggest to you to ask yourself a few questions like: can your invention embody a weapon, or is it a threat to any niche or large industry? I suspect the answer is NO. Your invention is absolutely beautiful and useful, but I'm not sure is a disruptive technology. For instance, if you think it could revolutionize the service industry in electronics - well, service technicians are often overqualified and underpaid and use a lot of engineering knowledge and meters to be offered such a beautiful tool you propose.

Unfortunately, real engineering is an art having no sponsors and recognition nowadays. We are all just fishing in a see of bad fortune...

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06/07/2007 7:32 AM

Thanks for your comments, I agree with everything you've said, people need to know about these things before they commit their savings to a white knuckle ride to nowhere. Need to go now back to work in the North Sea to get some bread on the table, but here are some examples that may interest you. Use them like fuse type components within a circuit and they behave like solid wire but light up to show current presence and polarity. Cost to value returned = buttons to gold. They can even be powered by the small potential from 2 bits of disimilar metal in a salt solution (rudimentry cell). Corrossion indicators? Current detectors? signal isolators? condition monitors? maybe there are too many possibilities with INDI-LINK and thats what is frightenting everyone off? We haemorage valuable technology from the west but not for much longer, Asia has got the bit between their teeth now and will not let go. Maybe approaching China is worth the risk? they love volume products.

Oh! The photo, if you swop the battery round you swop output to the red LED and volt-free switch signal, not that apparent in this rushed reply.

Regards to all

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06/07/2007 12:03 PM

I don't know what is the efficiency of your device in emitting light compared to LEDs and what is the frequency response but I would focus on two directions: low consumption displays and low consumption solid state relays based on opto-couplers. Maybe submarines makers to be interested in inserting your device for in-circuit state display where there is no much time for taking a multimeter and measuring test points. Same with space maned ships where a fast failure report is needed.

I'm also thinking of using LabView image recognition applications for manufacturing in electronic boards incorporating your device (can be made SMD?) if the PCB is viewed by a color camera and the image is compared with a normal functioning state - for automated final testing purposes.

I wish you the best of luck!

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06/07/2007 4:54 PM

Hi Bob & Hottech,

I agree with Hottech on choosing some product lines to apply your LED products.

My mind goes like this:

  • Constrain your products to existing commodity type product MARKET because you KNOW that there is an existing need for these products: such as sensors for level detection, optical limit switches, current sensors etc. (You will know which ones are the best to target)
  • Innovate the inclusion of your LED/light device into an existing (commodity) sensor to give it a supercharged edge in as many of the 4Ps as possible (improve the PRODUCT performance... less power etc; reduce the PRICE; PROMOTE the new benefits of the sensor rather than confuse them to understand your "whiz bang invention"; and PLACE your sales effort/location carefully)
  • Remember you want to create sales NOW, not next year after the population has been educated
  • Most people are only comfortable buying commodities, they don't like to be guinea pigs
  • You should aim to only sell commodity sensors that are supercharged with your LED/light invention
  • You should be aiming to get wholesalers to put your supercharged sensors on their shelves... but FOR SURE they will NOT put new products on their shelves... but they WILL put a supercharged commodity sensor there... i.e. they WILL buy from you if you get your supercharged product package right.

Neil

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06/09/2007 3:42 AM

Hi Neilj & Hottech.

Thanks for your comments at last someone understands where this product can fit, your absoluletly right, and in just about anything electric. How about fitting it into the gate circuit of hign power Thyristors or triacs, with a resistive shunt or current transformer the high current output circuit could be condition monitored. As long as the circuit can tolerate The small Volt drop of a single Power diode.

Contol systems today are getting increasingly more complex especialy in my business on an Offshore Oil & Gas Complex. This particular installation consting of multiple platforms with multiple systems each essential to the production process. There are literally thousands upon thousands of different circuits that could use this device to make everything obvious to the eye. Your right also about packaging, it needs to be manufactured in several different forms and packages. One would be for DIN rail mounting, the other fitted inside and industrial gland fitting filled with transparent epoxy. There's much more to say but I must go now , the complex has just had a Big Shutdown lets hope I can find the problem searching with a test meter? Pity I couldnt just glance at an INDI-LINK Enabled control interface, every condition would be obvious--- NMust go!

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07/18/2007 7:10 AM

Hi Neil: I have to tell you that your sumary was the best I've seen. I believe that it was the foundation of the IBM four step 'new product' success formula: Awareness-Understanding-Conviction- Sale. Your summary was very definitive and on target. Very good advice for all concerned. John

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07/18/2007 11:26 AM

Hi John,

Thanks for taking the time to read it, I appreciate your feedback.

Kind regards,

Neil

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11/12/2007 8:16 AM

Hello NeilJ,

All the threads you presented are treat to watch and tribute to your experience , observations , your right on that sense that it is society that we live in and a system has been established were people like us try to alter it fractionally through ideas , why engineers , doctors , lawyers , CEO ,politicians , biurecracy , too find it difficult to change the or try innovative ways , this is not that i am putting analogus to , but these are certain things to note . I think marketing experience better way to start of promoting ideas to big boys and to mantain secreacy instead of advertising to masses , if you think your concept to be not very difficult to duplicate , it is wise you promote it and than sell it in one stroke to large companies

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