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How Loud is Too Loud?

Posted April 19, 2013 8:46 AM by Hannes
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Most would agree that the technological development of music players during the past twenty years has been astounding. From the bulky portable cassette players of my childhood through portable CD players, MiniDisc players, and increasingly-smaller digital media players, portable music has become ubiquitous in most international communities. It's perhaps not surprising that noise-induced hearing loss (NIHL) is also on the rise and is becoming an increasingly prevalent concern for both the medical and musical communities.

The National Institute on Deafness defines NIHL as damage to the inner ear from overexposure to harmful environmental noise. This overexposure can take two forms. Acoustic trauma is defined as a one-time overexposure that causes permanent damage due to high-intensity sounds like gunfire, a single loud drum hit, or firecrackers. Gradually developing NIHL, on the other hand, is caused by repeated exposure to dangerously loud sounds. This type tends to develop as a result of combined sound intensity and time of exposure to loud sounds. (I supposed the guy in this well-documented case would place himself between these two extremes.) OSHA states that exposure to 85 dB of noise for eight hours a day has the potential to cause permanent hearing loss.

Most organizations recommend specific techniques to curb NIHL, namely to first avoid exposure to excessively loud sounds as often as possible (and let's face it, this is more difficult than it sounds). Many industrial workers - including those working in manufacturing, agriculture, transportation, and around aircraft - have little choice but to be exposed. While ear protection standards is well-established in these industries, most individuals planning to attend loud concerts or nightclubs skip ear protection due to embarrassment, lack of comfort, and reduced sound quality.

The NIHL discussion becomes a little more interesting - and controversial - when applying it to musicians. It may come as no surprise that many (if not most) rock musicians suffer from resultant hearing loss, but orchestral musicians and conductors are now considered susceptible as well. Hearing researchers have avoided making broad generalizations because of the lack of conclusive research, but many believe that musicians' exposure to sound levels on par with harmful industrial noise renders much of the research on occupational noise applicable to the art music world. The fact that orchestral musicians depend on hearing themselves clearly to make a living, and therefore are unable to use earplugs or other protective devices, adds an interesting wrinkle to the debate.

Despite the lack of conclusive research, NIHL among professional musicians and conductors has steadily increased in recent years. This awareness affected me on a personal level: during my time playing in college bands and orchestras, a longtime conductor was diagnosed with NIHL after years of rehearsing large, noisy ensembles in rooms that were too small and acoustically poor. Our school responded by installing temporary anechoic panels in the same rehearsal spaces as a short-term solution, before eventually renovating all rehearsal spaces to be acoustically safe under high decibel levels. Several organizations have been founded to raise awareness of NIHL and its effect on musicians as well as youth, including Don't Lose the Music and Hearing Education and Awareness for Rockers (HEAR).

Noise-induced hearing loss is perfectly avoidable, but even for those already afflicted the prognosis is good thanks to improving hearing aid technology. Thanks to awareness and forward thinking, advocacy groups are causing us to think twice about constantly slipping on headphones or burning out our car speakers with excessive noise.

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04/19/2013 12:28 PM

It probably does not help that much of today's recorded music uses a lot of audio compression, which increases the average or mean dB levels people listen to. Nor do these ear buds that inject sound directly into the ear canal.

Let's not forget that segment of young society that run 1,000+ Watts of audio power amps in their cars.

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04/19/2013 12:34 PM

"It's perhaps not surprising that noise-induced hearing loss (NIHL) is also on the rise and is becoming an increasingly prevalent concern for both the medical and musical communities."

Not true. Statistically the percentage of the mass population with noise induced hearing loss has been steadily falling for 40+ years now.

Relating to new portable music devices I have a few and I can assure you that when done in a fair literal headphone to headphone comparison none of the new stuff comes close to what the devices of 20 years ago could push out on the top end volume wise.

My 20 year old portable CD player that runs on 4 AA batteries walks all over my 1 and 2 AAA powered MP3 devices volume wise when doing a same song to same song comparisons with the same headphone set.

As far as telling me how loud I can have my music goes it fits right in with telling me to wear my seatbelt, how much I can drink, smoke, eat, be out in the sun, or do any other self indulgent potentially harmful to myself only activities. IT'S NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS.

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04/19/2013 1:42 PM

. IT'S NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS.

It is my business when I'm talking and have to compete with your loud radio

When I had a design and fabrication shop, I never mind them playing the radio, but one fella always played I don't know what you call it.... grundge type music...... it really sounded like angry people yelling............... here I'm giving directions to some fabricators competing with this BS....... well, in a very normal tone I said, I'm not competing with that radio and If that volume level is not turned in down to a reasonable level no more radios......

He was pissed and thought that was unfair because he couldn't hear me........ I fired him soon after, to the releif of everyone in the shop, after a few weeks the shop asked one of the fabricators to see me if they could have the radio on, I didn't mind it. They where very reasonable with the volume.

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04/19/2013 5:48 PM

Ah but you are referencing workplace location and conditions not personal headphone, automotive, or home use which is what I see so many "noise nitpickers" going after.

I thought my list of items made itself rather self evident to not being workplace related.

BTW I was one of those high school kids with the 1000+ watt sound system in his car. I still test as having above average hearing range and sensitivity and no tinnitus for my age despite it and the countless hours of exposure I have endured in working environments as well that were well above OSHA standards.

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05/04/2013 10:58 AM

As Artie Johnson used to say "Very Interesting". Do you think you are the exception rather than the rule? I have neither anecdotal or real evidence. The military where I had most the training was quite adamant about hearing protection. Of course all of there information constructed on the correlation between loud noise and hearing loss.

When I retired, I took the standard release physical, I had the usual hi frequency loss. I was better than most. However, there is a history of deafness (slight nothing major) in the family. I have never liked loud music, and other than fireworks displays have not subjected myself to loud noise. Did a fair amount of shooting as a teenager.

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04/19/2013 11:25 PM

TCM, I haven't checked the statistics, but it sounds like you're correct. Back when my dad's generation worked, there was a lot of factory type jobs = noisy environments. Today most workers are sitting in an office = much quieter. Also, we have OSHA to keep things quiet or make sure protection is provided.

Loud music at home? How loud is too loud? I think we should be good neighbors and as long as we aren't being a nuisance, it's okay. We have great neighbors and if they complain, I'll consider their needs and either close up the windows or lower the volume - it hasn't happened yet, nor have I said anything about their music.

Wearing seat belts? I think it's your right, as long as your desire to do so doesn't cost anyone else extra money or suffering. If you're permanently hurt from not wearing a seatbelt, it's due to your choice, but when we have to pay for your disability, health insurance, medicare, early social security, etc; that's where I draw the line. One more thing to consider - if you get in an accident and are badly injured or killed (you wouldn't have been if you wore the seat belt), then you've just caused unnecessary suffering to your friends, family and the person you got into the accident with.

I call it being personally responsible for your actions. If you are taking responsibility for yourself, then nobody should be telling you what to do and what not to do. In our society, most people will not take responsibility, therefore restrictive laws are created.

Just my 2 cents!

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04/19/2013 11:33 PM

On Friday evening, we went to the House of Blues in Hollywood. I have to admit that the sound was too loud and I heard ringing in my ears that night and the next day. Someone told me that the ringing in your ears is a sign that you've done damage.

I believe that sound systems have become louder vs back when I was a kid in the 80's. We went to some loud shows back then - AC/DC, Def Leppard, Triumph, Rush, etc. Somehow, they sound louder (and clearer) nowdays. Maybe it's better electronics and speakers? Better mics? I'm going to assume it's all of the above.

In the instance for concerts and small clubs, I think there is more chance of damaging you hearing. And you're right, I don't know anyone who would show up with earplugs!

Thanks for the topic - a good one.

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04/20/2013 10:12 AM

I have seen many performers wisely use ear plugs on stage.

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04/20/2013 5:04 AM

I've found the wave-form to be of significant importance. As example, music from a Rock Band with guitar overdrive distortions, fuzzy drum kits, etc., will be painful and give lasting problems at far less levels than some Psy-Trance dance music which has rounded wave-forms. The quality of the sound systems plays a big factor. If the amps and speakers are being over-driven, even moderate sound pressure levels can be damaging. I've been in the middle of a 250 Kilo Watt system, (noted for its quality), for hours, playing Full On and LOUD!! but yet "smooth wave-form" music, and have had no overt problems. However, 10 seconds in front of a rock band's puny overdriven 200 watt systems and it hurts and takes days to recover.

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04/20/2013 8:13 AM

Some "music" sounds bad at any volume!

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04/20/2013 8:42 AM

It is also possible that the quality of sound and how they're reproduced makes a lot of difference!

Quality sound amplifiers of the old days, (I'm referring to the vacuum tube types), as compared to today's semi's, in my opinion had provided a lot better quality sounds that are more pleasant to the listening ears! Regardless of how much power it delivers, still not injurious to our hearings!

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04/20/2013 10:11 AM

This subject will never die. :)

Both vacuum tubes and solid state will sound virtually indistinguishable as long as they are not driven to the point of audible distortion.

There are valid arguments as to the "quality" of distortion used for instrument amps, most specifically, guitar amps.

However, for the purpose of music reproduction no one wants to add distortion to the program material and either topology is fine for the job when operated below the limits of THD detection, which is exactly how people use them.

Yes, you will hear a difference as far as frequency response goes due to the difference in the way vacuum tube and solid state amplifiers (current versus voltage drive) couple to the speakers, but that difference has nothing to do with hearing damage and that discussion is beyond the scope of this topic.

Hearing damage is caused by excessive sound pressure levels (SPLs) breaking or damaging the sterocilia of the inner ear hair cells. The stereocilia are made of actin fibers and they can essentially irreversibly break under high SPL conditions.

Distortion can add to the SPL level, but it needs to be severe enough to do this.

It is interesting to note that some therapies, such as gene therapy and some alzheimer drugs have been shown to regenerate the hair cells in mammals. Someday it may be possible to repair some or all of a person's hearing damage.

Until then, keeping the volume down and using hearing protection is the cheapest and most effective method to preserve your hearing.

That is particularly true for men until they get married, at which point cranking it way up to the point of damage may be the best mechanism to preserve your sanity.

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04/20/2013 10:58 AM

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"but that difference has nothing to do with hearing damage and that discussion is beyond the scope of this topic"


In wanting to somehow be able to discriminate sound qualities pertaining specially to certain frequencies being accurately reproduced, with balanced equalizer the normal tendency is to increase more on the sound volume. To the level that bring those frequencies more pronounced .. and to achieve that, isn't there a direct correlation between the required volume to the possible damage to one's hearing? (Mind you, lab. performance results aside).

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04/20/2013 11:07 AM

It all boils down to SPL.

Personally, I want the whole audio spectrum to be faithfully reproduced.

So, it is still a function of SPL per given frequency.

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04/20/2013 3:41 PM

I agree that it's the SPL (there are certain frequencies that cause more damage) that we need to focus on. And the key to this is that the damage is permanent!

I also think those little ear buds put out enough sound to damage your hearing. Heck, they're stuck in your ear!

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04/20/2013 7:27 PM

There is a difference between music and noise. When we speak music, we generally are refering to classical music as opposed to heavy metal with it's distortion. Noise that is generated within a narrow band can be very destructive to hearing. Classical music that is made up of a wide range of frequencies and db levels is much less damaging than a heavy metal band playing a much smaller range of frequencies. An audio frequency generator can cause a crystal goblet to shatter at a certain pressure level and a certain frequency, but different frequencies may have no effect, even if the pressure is great. Ear drums are more sensitive to certain frequencies regardless of the pressure level. At 120db, an ear drum might be damaged at 10KHz, but not at 100Hz. The quality of the sounds being reproduced, has a lot to do with it. A cheap $300 sound system may sound ok at low listening levels, but crank it up to the point where it distorts and harmful noise results. Quality sound systems deliver "clean" sound. That's why they cost big bucks.

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04/21/2013 12:41 AM

Hi Ronseto, Good points. I agree that our ears are susceptible to damage at certain frequencies (like your example, 10KHz will be much more damaging than 100 Hz). What I'm not so sure about is how the quality of the sound system has anything to do with the damage. If you have a cheap set of earbuds coming out of your iPhone and you have it cranked at lets say 3KHz, how does this differ than having a fine home audio system at high output at 3KHz. As long as both produce the same SPL in the ear canal, then they will both cause the same damage, right.

I agree that a quality home audio system makes music sound much better (the precision in the reproduction is much better), however I believe that damage to ones ears can happen just as easily. In fact, it may be more apt to happen, because you're unaware of the high SPL when the music is enjoyable.

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04/21/2013 2:04 PM

I think the damage would be caused by prolonged exposure to a certain frequency. Also there are overtones that are produced which "dirties" the sound. It's the dirty component of the sound that is damaging. I like to quote analogies and I would compare walking barefooted on clean sand and walking on sand that has broken glass in it.

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05/04/2013 6:54 PM

I'm not an ear doctor, so I can't tell you if one is worse than the other. If we think about this logically, the damage to the ear is done when the tiny hairs are damaged. This occurs when the level of sound is too high (SPL). Certain frequencies will cause more damage due the hairs being more susceptible. If it's noise or music, would there be a difference in the damage if the SPL is the same? I don't think so, but I could be wrong.

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05/05/2013 7:52 AM

That is correct, the noise/sound does not have to be loud, but continuous.

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05/12/2013 12:25 PM

I've lost most of the top half of my hearing although if I cup my ears with my hands I can still get back to a somewhat normal capability. 40 years of construction and several hundred rock concerts along with working in 100+ degree heat have taken a toll on me.
There are a thousand different things that can rob you of your hearing including loud noises like a .44 magnum firing, tire blowout close to your head, road side bombs, being cuffed on the ear with the flat of the hand, continuous loud 2 hour long Grateful Dead concerts while leaning against the speaker bank, concussions, viral infections, bacterial infections, fungus infections, punctured and scarred eardrum, crystallized poly-saccharides in the inner ear, pre-natal problems and nutrition and the list goes on and on. And that's just my left ear, lol.
What causes damage to normal inner ear parts is usually not reversible and can either be catastrophic or it may affect only one small area of your hearing range.
Your inner ear parts are fully developed at birth so that is when a life time of potential hearing loss causes begins outside the womb. http://deafenedbutnotsilent.wordpress.com/2011/09/19/challenges-of-hearing-loss/

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