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Missing! Reward! 210-Foot, 328-Ton Airliner

Posted March 11, 2014 2:49 PM by HUSH

After posting pictures of blimp butts last week I was hesitant to submit another post to the aerospace blog. But I'm beginning to settle in here and current events seem to require a place on CR4 for technical minds to hypothesize and argue about what could have happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

I can't imagine anyone here is unaware of the specifics of this news story, but we'll touch on them so we can all agree on the background information. It's almost like a story ripped off of Lost.

The aircraft model was a Boeing 777, a design which entered commercial service in 1995 and was regarded to have an exemplary safety record. It would be 13 years until a Boeing 777 would record a incident and last July's crash landing of Asiana Flight 214 would be the first 777 incident involving a fatality. This particular aircraft, identified as Boeing 777-2H6ER, had no serious repairs or malfunctions in its recent history, though a pilot did strike another plane with a wingtip while taxiing at a Chinese airport in 2012. 2H6ER underwent maintenance on February 23, 2014 and no issues were reported.

Flight 370 departed Kuala Lumpur on Saturday, March 8 at 00:41 local time. Six hours later it was scheduled to land at Beijing Capital International Airport, with a flight plan that would take it over the Gulf of Thailand, Vietnam, and the South China Sea. Forty to fifty minutes after take-off, radio contact with the plane was lost. At that time another aircraft in the area was asked to radio Flight 370 and it was greeted by the cabin, but could not communicate due to radio interference. The plane remained on radar and other systems until 02:40, which is long enough to have passed over Vietnam, but Chinese officials note that the plane never entered their airspace. After 02:40, no trace of the plane has been found.

The crew did not send a distress call and no aircraft mechanical problems were ever reported. The pilot was an experienced captain who had been flying since 1981 and was also a company simulator instructor. The first officer had been flying since 2007, and transitioned to flying 777s in February. Some radar reports indicate the plane had turned around shortly before crashing, but this hasn't been confirmed yet.

So far 35 ships and 34 aircraft from nine countries have joined the search-and-rescue efforts. Oil slicks found near suspected crash sites belong to cargo vessels. Not a single item of debris has been found, meaning the plane is likely still intact, or at least in a few pieces.

Here is where we speculate. What happened to this plane? How could there be no debris field? Why wasn't there a mayday? Here are some leading theories.

· Structural failure. The fuselage would have to breakup quite quickly to prevent the pilots from reporting an incident, but aluminum is susceptible to corrosion, especially in high humidity areas such as the South Pacific. The 2H6ER did not reveal any material fatigue during its last inspection. If structural failure is to blame, then the pressurization system may have severed the craft in half, which would account for both the absence of mayday calls and debris field, but necessarily a fuel slick.

· Pilot disorientation. It isn't known why the pilot and first officer may have reversed course and attempted to return to Kuala Lumpur. The pilots likely never realized they were crashing, or for some reason were incapacitated.

· Pilot suicide. In 1999, a Boeing 767 was intentionally crashed by the Egyptian Air first officer at the helm. Investigators found the first officer and pilot had made contrasting steering decisions, that the first officer had recently been demoted by a company official who was on the plane, and that he had odd statements and reactions throughout the flight. Had one of the crew members taken sole possession of Flight 370's controls, this scenario is increasingly likely.

· Poor weather. Planes are meant to weather most storms, but bad weather can potentially compromise instruments, such as airspeed indicators. While the pilots thought they had control of the situation, poor visibility and inaccurate readings led their decision-making astray. This is what happened with Air France Flight 447 in June 2009.

· Hijacking. It's been revealed that two Iranian passengers boarded Flight 370 using stolen European passports, and two other related passports had been deemed "suspicious," But they were eventually ruled-out as threats.. A hijacking gone awry isn't suspected either, as an on-board attack would have left plenty of chances for passengers and crew to reach out to authorities and loved ones. There are reports that the phones of some passengers are still connected to cell networks, but have gone unanswered.

· Terrorism. Just as it's unlikely the plane was hijacked, it doesn't appear to have been bombed either. An explosion in mid-air would leave a large debris field which in all probability would be spotted. An underground Chinese organization has claimed responsibility, but officials have never heard of this group and their motives are uncertain, far removed from more operational ideological activists.

· Military intervention. For similar reasons as the bomb hypothesis, it seems unlikely a foreign military would shoot down a passenger plane composed mostly of Chinese and Malaysian nationals. A military interception and escort is more likely, but why target a passenger plane?

Of course, other theories abound. From less credible ones, such as engine failure (the plane could fly on one engine, each engine has several fail safes, and a 777 can glide for twenty minutes) to abstract ones, such as Chinese military conspiracies and extraterrestrials. One thing we do know, this isn't your average plane crash-there is a significant variable that investigators and the media are overlooking, and it may just shock the world.

It's easy to dissociate the crash from reality when it happened on the other side of the world, so when discussing this below please remember the most important aspect: 239 people perished.

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03/11/2014 3:27 PM

Maybe they hit another plane....or attempted hijacking gone bad...could have been shot down....They say the plane turned around, why would they do that? ...and not radio in change of course? Sounds like a hijacking....

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03/11/2014 4:04 PM

You have given information about cell phone still connected to the phone network but have gone unanswered. If they are connected then why haven't they used the signal to locate the phones. Locate the phones you locate the passengers.

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03/11/2014 7:44 PM

The phone company said, that the phone can ring, but that it actually is still searching for the actually location.... In other words, basically a false connection.

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03/11/2014 7:12 PM

the pilot has thousands of hours.. a real pro. I'm thinking he's clear of evil on this. the passport angle bothers me. the 180 they have on radar suggests a return to the airport. or complete disorientation by someone at the controls. I'm thinking foul play will ultimately be central here.

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03/12/2014 1:13 AM

What I don't understand about this is the fact that the Malaysian air force now admits that the flight was way off course. They have tracked it with their radar 1 hour and 10min after the transponder and communication signals were lost. According to them the the plane made a nearly 360deg turn. What gets me is that this information is only made official and released five days after the plane is lost and while the search was conducted in totally the wrong place! According to me the only time a plane can disappear from the radar if it is out of range or if it descends below the radar horizon.

What happen to the plane still is a mystery. Maybe looking at the right place will shed more light on this subject.

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03/12/2014 6:33 AM

Erm, a 360 degree turn would put you back on the original course. A nearly 180 turn possibly?

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03/12/2014 11:09 PM

Sorry, must read 180deg

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03/12/2014 8:43 AM

there are things coming out that not right...... The only real thing we have is speculations

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03/12/2014 11:56 AM

The report about the course change may be a result of incompetence at the source of the report, or a garbled transmission/translation/relay. (Or it could be accurate and relevant.) Until we hear from someone like an NTSB or US military rep who's been there talking to people on the ground and confirming what they can, I feel we know nothing.

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03/12/2014 11:51 AM

You've solved it. They are circling!

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03/12/2014 1:59 AM

This incident is really tragic . The most similar incident to this is the Air France crash 2009, but in that case they have found the debris and few bodies afloat after a few days. This MH 370 is still a mystery at least up to the time when I write this. Of course , the only right time to conclude is after the "black box" is found and analyzed . But I do sincerely hope and pray that the end will turn out to be a good news.

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03/12/2014 3:09 AM

It's easy to dissociate the crash from reality when it happened on the other side of the world

I thought it happened quite nearby. Would have been over my head if it went just a bit further before (allegedly) turning back.

Real mystery this one. No debris found anywhere. I can't think of a process that would turn an aircraft into dust and mist in mid air.

If it it is in the water somebody would have seen it fall. No slick, no flotsom...The waters around here are teaming with boats of all sizes and no one has witnessed anything? Same if it came down on land, there are people everywhere in these parts. Not likely. Mind you, not that long ago a private cargo plane disappeard in the hills here and it took a while to find. It also took a while for it to be even missed in the first place before folk even started looking for it. I digress..

I am hoping, for the sake of the passengers and their families, that the aircraft has simply been nicked and has now landed safely.

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03/12/2014 9:43 AM

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03/12/2014 5:33 AM

That 239 people have perished is an assumption as there is no evidence of it at this time. That 239 people are missing would be a more accurate statement. Thoughts go out to their loved ones.

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03/12/2014 6:49 AM

If they suspect hijacking why Malaysian authorities were checking only in the direction of its true course not in other directions(westwards-Andaman,Thailand etc.Each airline should incorporate a distinct signal from blackbox so that in case of hijack or crash,radars (mounted on air/seacraft)can detect the location.

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03/12/2014 7:07 AM

They do. Each aircraft has its' own signal. In fact there are several systems in place so that if one fails there are others (plural) to do the job. The question here is how did ALL systems and fail safes stop at once?

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03/12/2014 5:39 PM

"...how did ALL systems and fail safes stop at once?"

They don't. That's why there are no good scenarios on this. The plane possibly dived after it run out of fuel 1-2K miles low flight into Indian ocean as the fainting pilot set autopilot to do, turn and descend, hoping that even if he fainted from decompression or fumes caused by some major failure or attack, he would recover and get control back. The other possibility is it was shot down after it was confirmed run-away. A runaway plane does NOT stay on air for long these days. One thing is for sure. Malaysian aviation services have ALL the required info to figure out what happened but don't release it YET. S.M.

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03/13/2014 7:44 AM

That's why there are no good scenarios on this.

I have a similar feeling. I wonder if in fact it has landed and there are discussions about a hostage/prisoner swap going on.

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03/12/2014 10:38 AM

Similar to space crafts there should be some video cameras in vital points inside the air craft to constantly monitor/record what is going on & transmit to airline office & destination airport.

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Alien Abduction Dummy

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03/12/2014 9:15 AM

There's one more theory, alien abduction. There have been numerous accounts of people being abducted by aliens. Maybe it was such a slow process to take just one or two people at a time, they simply took an entire airplane. That's what I would do. Study a whole group of people and our technology all at once. If this is the case, I would expect the plane to be gone for a while. Then returned right back in the sky where it was taken. Just google alien abduction. It's all over the internet!

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03/12/2014 9:16 AM

After posting pictures of blimp butts last week I was hesitant to submit another post to the aerospace blog.

Heh heh heh.... that's funny.

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03/12/2014 9:20 AM

What we do know.....is we don't know!

What ever happened to this flight it was almost certainly caused by the crew on board. To have intentionally shut off the transponder is something no professional pilot would ever do voluntarily. (suicide is the exception)

A drastic course change without notifying control? Where were they going ? What is in that direction?

If the plane dissappeared in the new location mentioned then we should have seen debris since it is a busy shipping lane. Unless the plane literally disintegrated in mid air..... if that is even possible now days.

That the plane was so far off course and no one noticed?

Five days later we realize we were looking in the wrong place?

What kind of morons are running this SAR?

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03/12/2014 9:27 AM

you should have stopped at the first sentence, that was the only thing that was 100% correct....

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03/12/2014 10:56 AM

Vietnam is reporting that they may not have ever had 370 on their radar now. This is interesting since they have the best radar system in the area. Its the one we left as we evacuated Saigon so we know its capabilities including being able to track targets to the ground.

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03/12/2014 11:00 AM

Its the one we left as we evacuated Saigon so we know its capabilities including ....

wow........ 40 years old ......... do they still make tubes for that?

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03/12/2014 11:27 AM

Believe me Phoenix, if you knew the condition and age of what we use world wide for air traffic control you'd never get on an airplane. Even here in the US our systems date back to the 70's and older in the more remote locales. Some places don't even have working radar anymore, it broke and was never fixed because it "cost too much".

I wonder how they do that calculation anyway. I mean what is a human life worth in dollars and cents since that is how we seem to want to measure everything.

Heck we are still routing planes in the US based on a system we designed back during WW2.

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03/12/2014 2:00 PM

The planes and guidance satellites have gotten a lot better. So have some of the approach and local control systems. If it works...

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03/12/2014 11:27 PM

....and you probably think that the troposcatter billboards are still working too.

There was a tropo billboard up the street from me pointing east over an empty bit of urban horizon across a very wide section of the Mekong...it got turned into Coca Cola cans and knock off Zippo lighters a long time ago.

Since "we" left the Soviets and others have put in a load of new kit.

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03/13/2014 10:07 AM

Nope Wal, I don't. But Soviet era radar systems do not make me feel any better. LOL

Maybe a newer Chinese system..... well maybe not now that I think about that.

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03/14/2014 12:10 AM

When you are rebuilding a place from scratch you don't have any legacy infrastructure whose capital value is still being amortised by the been counters.

Where modern infrastructure exists, it's all quite up to date in these parts.

It's either real good or just absent. The patched and bandaged kits of yore have been turned into smart phones and motorcycles by now.

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03/13/2014 7:55 AM

A drastic course change without notifying control? Where were they going ? What is in that direction?

Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kashmir, India, and Myanmar, to mention a few.

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03/12/2014 1:10 PM

The plane apparently changed course. Maybe someone on board had a GPS spoofing device.

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03/12/2014 3:34 PM

I was wondering if we could have a bit of elaboration on this statement....

"One thing we do know, this isn't your average plane crash-there is a significant variable that investigators and the media are overlooking, and it may just shock the world."

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03/12/2014 9:08 PM

We need to offer our condolences to all the relatives waiting patiently, and in hope.

I think the air authorities clutched at any info. regarding the whereabouts and the military
came to the rescue with what little info. they had, about an unknown aircraft.

What is distressing is that aircraft are likely, and do, come down at sea, and yet there
does not appear to be any of the signalling markers mandated for these aircraft?
Small dingies have marker buoys, some even with transmitters, to signal their position.

While the oceans are deep, a simple coil of nylon cord with an automatically released
(e.g. at say 5 metres underwater) flotation marker buoy, preferably carrying a small
signalling transmitter, would save many weeks of fruitless search, countless man hours
(and the associated risks) and, potentially save many lives simply by the prompt arrival
by a successful search party. (to the marker/signal)

It is anticipated there "will be" another aircraft lost at sea and, a great deal is spent
on "black boxes" etc.. so why not spend a little thought upon the remote recovery?
A manufacturer could get "marker" equipment mandatory for all public passenger aircraft.
Maybe a strong "dye" just to colour the water would be better than nothing? Or,
an orange flotation blanket to support any survivers?

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A man was standing on the top of a hill and another man in a hot air balloon came
low enough to shout to him, he said 'I am lost, can you tell me where I am?'

The man on the ground replied with his exact latitude and longitude, to which
the man in the balloon responded: 'You're an engineer aren't you?'

To which the man on the ground replied 'Yes, but how did you know?'

The man in the balloon responded 'You answered my question exactly and
precisely, but I'm just as lost now as I was before.'

The man on the ground then asked the balloonist 'You are a manager aren't you?'

He answered 'Yes, but how did you know?'

The engineer answered 'You are no more lost now than you were before you
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03/13/2014 10:22 AM

What is distressing is that aircraft are likely, and do, come down at sea, and yet there does not appear to be any of the signalling markers mandated for these aircraft?

Actually, aircraft (at least big ones) are NOT likely to come down at sea. All the effort you suggest putting into locating a crashed airplane might be better spent making sure the airplane doesn't crash in the first place!

Cute joke. It was new to me.

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03/12/2014 10:43 PM

In this space age "plane missing" is horrible.Can't they draw the flight path as it flies from airport to destination airport,then easy locate at what point in GPS it disappeared.

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03/13/2014 7:51 AM

They can, they did, nothing there. Hence the mystery!

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03/13/2014 12:45 PM

I'm going to call this the Payne Stewart Scenario.

At the time the transponder stopped and the plane apparently changed course without making radio contact something went terribly wrong. That we know. It happen a few years ago to golfer Payne Stewart. His private jet, a Gulfstream I think it was, suffered a catastrophic decompression. They figure it killed everyone on board virtually instantly. The plane however continued on and was escorted by fighters until it crashed running out of fuel. It was the observation of the fighter pilots that led to the conclusion that the plane had decompressed catastophically due to the fact that the cockpit windows were frozen over.

Could 370 have suffered the same fate?
At the time of the disaster the pilot managed to turn back and set the autopilot but lost consciousness before being able to radio the distress call. The plane continued on autopilot with the crew dead in their seats heading for Antarctica and no one following them. The turn back headed them out over the Indian ocean in an area where there is little traffic, shipping or air. You see the fighter intercept solution we employed with Payne Stewart Malaysia didn't. So as far as we know this plane could be crashed on the ice in Antarctica. Either that or it went down in the Indian Ocean between the South Pole and India.

Thoughts?

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Re: Missing! Reward! 210-Foot, 328-Ton Airliner

03/13/2014 2:46 PM

Arguing whether planes sh/would (or not) go down in the sea is irrelevant, they DO go down in the sea.

Accordingly the passenger carriers should be obliged to provide a minimum weight and cost marker to
signal where they go down, to help save life and discover the cause.

In the absence of anything else, a very lightweight "drum" of cord in the plane, tethering an inflatable
red marker buoy, and supplying a recognised radio signal, is the least they could / should provide.
It to be automatically released when the aircraft is say, >5 meters underwater.
A great step forward to easier, and cheaper, recovery?

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Three is normal, four is quite rare. ... however, if they were in red, like the buoy...

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Re: Missing! Reward! 210-Foot, 328-Ton Airliner

03/13/2014 10:04 PM

Here is an interesting theory, taking into account that telemetry information was apparently being transmitted from the engines...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/13/mh370_disappearance_could_the_missing_malaysia_airlines_plane_have_been.html

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Re: Missing! Reward! 210-Foot, 328-Ton Airliner

03/17/2014 4:51 PM

Well now, it seems my original post was closer to the truth than I thought.

Morons were running the SAR.

This is the end result of people whos skill set is 20th century trying to do 21 century things but they do not have the knowledge or experience to do it right and they do not understand why it needs to be done so they just don't do it and innocent people pay the ultimate price for this stupidity.

A dead stick in the sky calls for an immediate fighter intercept. All 21 century countries know this.

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