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Could Real Books Disappear Amid Growing e-Book Popularity?

Posted June 09, 2018 12:00 AM by M-ReeD

While I am apt to ask myself any number of questions throughout the course of the day, the ones that seem to hang on for dear life, often keeping me up at night, include questions about whether my next-door neighbor is actually a serial killer or just a gentleman keeping odd hours, whether Bono would like me if he ever met me and whether or not books are on the verge of obsolescence because of their availability on electronic devices.

Thanks to recent research, it seems I have an answer for at least one of these questions….

Although it seems that tech-savvy millennials would prefer getting their literature from convenient e-books, it turns out that this generation of readers would prefer actual books over e-readers — maybe even more than older readers — according to a study from the University of Arizona.

Likewise, the study also determined that across all adult age groups, consumers look on e-book ownership much differently than actual physical ownership of a book.

"We looked at what's called psychological ownership, which is not necessarily tied to legal possession or legal rights, but is more tied to perceptions of 'what is mine,'" said lead study author Sabrina Helm, a UA associate professor who researches consumer perceptions and behaviors.

The feeling of control over the object, whether the object defines who they are and if the object gives the possessor a sense of belonging in society were all factors that contribute to psychological ownership, according to the research.

"Psychological ownership is important in people's perception of how they value certain products or services or objects," said Helm. "In the context of digital products, we thought it would be appropriate to look at how people take ownership of something that's not really there — it's just a file on your computer or device or in the Cloud; it's more of a concept than an actual thing."

Publishing their findings in the journal Electronic Markets, researchers divided participants into four different focus groups with two groups of millennials, one group of Baby Boomers and one group of Generation Xers.

As researchers moderated, the groups revealed their feelings about ownership of physical books versus e-books. Some findings:

  • Because they don’t have full control of the e-book (i.e., they can’t copy a digital file to a number of devices), they don’t feel they have complete ownership of it.
  • Because they couldn’t share the e-books with their friends as well as being unable to gift the e-books or sell them, participants reported the items felt less valuable that physically possessing a book.
  • Because participants experienced physical books via senses such as touch, sound and smell, they reported feeling more emotionally attached to the physical books.
  • Because the process surrounding the purchase of e-books made it feel more like renting the book versus actually buying it, the participants reported feeling less ownership over the product.
  • Because physical books can be displayed, readers associate that with an expression of their identity to others.

Yet, despite all of the resistance expressed concerning e-books, there were some in favor of the technology, namely minimalists who don’t enjoy the clutter of books as well as older populations who are able to manipulate text size and lighting using e-books, making for a more comfortable reading experience.

"One of the conclusions of our research was that digital books and physical books are entirely different products," said Helm. "E-books feel like more of a service experience; overall, they seem to offer a more functional or utilitarian experience. You have much more richness if you deal with a physical book, where all your senses are involved."

"Physical books are very special products, and we know that physical books have a lot of meaning for a lot of people," Helm continued, "Digital reading is still fairly new, digital books are still a fairly new product category, and thinking about ownership in the context of these kinds of products is new for most people."

That being said, it seems that actual books are safe...at least for now.

Do you prefer electronic devices or the real deal when it comes to reading?

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06/09/2018 8:07 AM

I read a lot. I read for recreation, and I read for learning. For recreation, I use my Kindle. Generally, the books that I read for recreation, I will never read again, and don't want to own. I use my Kindle as I used to use the public library, but the number of books now available in digital form is far greater than any local library collection.

However, the books that I read for knowledge, I want to have in physical form, so that I can refer to them when ever I have the need. This includes technical catalogs. Web sites are great when I go to order a product, but when doing a design, I want to be able to study the detailed specifications of different components as I work.

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06/09/2018 8:34 AM

One other consideration. Should our technological civilization ever fail, All human knowledge stored in digital form will be lost forever.

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06/09/2018 10:12 AM

That's a good point. There's a "doomsday" vault located in Norway where they are storing data in case of a worldwide disaster such as nuclear war.

https://gizmodo.com/norway-gets-a-second-doomsday-vault-that-stores-data-1793935778

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06/15/2018 11:16 AM

I thought that was the "seed" vault?

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06/11/2018 8:28 AM

Maybe, keep in mind that the hard cover (paper being the current media) does not last forever. While in digital format, the chances are a lot better just due to it being passed to many... as long as one can access the digital format.

We were fortunate to have recovered the Rosetta Stone for a translation of other languages..

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06/11/2018 10:03 AM

Nothing will last forever. Entropy rules everything. The movable typeface book has a proven legacy of over five centuries. While it is true that not all books are fabricated to last this long, digital text formats have not been wide spread for five decades. However, claiming electronic text will last longer because it can be copied is a specious argument for that five century old book was a copy of an earlier book.

I still agree that digital text will one day become (if its not already) the dominant format and printed text will be relegated to special documents for some of the nuanced reasons we are discussing.

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06/11/2018 11:11 AM

...printed text will be relegated to special documents...

For myself whether just from habit, I read and 'absorbed' information better reading from printed material as opposed from a computer screen

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06/11/2018 11:38 AM

Time is the critical factor in this discussion. While the digital format has not been common for the last fifty years, I and I suspect you will not be here in another fifty years.

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06/12/2018 6:30 AM

Try to get your favourite author to sign your tablet! .

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06/19/2018 6:56 AM

You also risk cracking the screen when explaining to the grandchildren not to run around screaming!

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things are better since I bought this to carry around the tablet and all its accessories...

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06/09/2018 2:26 PM

I buy mostly ebooks because they are that much cheaper, and I have hopes that some day they will begin to be upgraded regularly like everything else, that way your reference books never go out of date....plus regular books are really heavy when you accumulate a lot of them and are a hassle to move....plus with regular books you have to worry about moisture, bookworms, mold, mildew, theft, fire...not to mention they take up a lot of shelf space....With ebooks you can carry all of your literature with you, in your pocket...The last few books I bought, I only bought the hardcover because it wasn't available in ebook form....

There's no denying that a hardcover book has a unique feel and the pictures have more impact , in fact a whole different character and experience that may be preferable to most people who have lived with them for many years, so it's hard to say what will happen with each succeeding generation going forth, perhaps they will all be relegated to museums....but this doesn't seem likely to me....

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06/09/2018 11:42 PM

This topic regularly comes up about e-books taking over. I'm certain they will, one day. There is still the problem of a standardized digital format that all can read. The PDF format is the closest format to an archive standard but I'm not sure if today's PDF file will be readable by ten years in the future technology but I can still read my forty year old Thomas Calculus and Analytic Geometry textbook. I don't need even a battery.

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06/10/2018 2:12 AM

If e-books ever become the norm, it may be like history repeating itself. Where in the past, scribes crafted paper books that were only available to the very wealthy.

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You will never beat a real book, the feel and smell, you don't get with a pad, & I've never suddenly run out of words because of battery going flat, No good old fashioned hard back & paper every time.

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06/11/2018 8:09 AM

Both forms have their own unique features. One thing hard copies have is that you can immediately tell how big it is just by the size of it. Digital forms lack the info of # of pages, chapters, kind of appendix, charts ,etc. It's much easier to skim thru a hard copy than digital form. And, they're readable as-is, no additional equipment/trons/licenses/boot-ups required. But then again, the digital form has features of search, easier to reference/share, and store. And once it's booted up, it has a built-in night-light.

I'm undecided. But, i doubt my opinion will affect the outcome much.

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I used to undecided, now I'm not so sure.

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06/11/2018 10:14 AM

Some of you know that in a past life I spent 20 years working in university libraries, as a reference librarian and also as part of a team that launched the first locally-hosted online bibliographic databases and online encyclopedia in a US university library (or anywhere, I think). I also co-authored a paper titled The Network is the Library. My bona fides for cutting-edge information delivery at least used to be solid.

However, I never thought I'd want to read anything other than short-form text (email, news bulletins) via a computer interface, and I poo-pooed my husband when he bought a Kindle. I broke down and bought one a year ago mostly because Mr. BIS and I have had to find English-language bookstores abroad when we run out of the reading matter we've brought with us.

At first I kept trying to turn a physical page rather than swipe. Once I got over that I grew to appreciate this little device. I can read at night without a light. I can borrow library books and read magazines without driving to the library -- and our library's hours are somewhat limited. I buy books from BookBub for $1.99 and every now and then pay full price on Amazon. And we don't have to keep buying bookshelves. The convenience factor exceeds my resistance to adopting this technology.

I still love paper books, and I don't seriously believe that this information delivery format is in trouble.

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06/11/2018 11:35 AM

It's funny because my wife and I had this discussion a while back. She was one of those, "don't buy me that, I like real books" people. Since getting it at Christmas, She has found her Kindle to be her favorite device. Some interesting things I have noted since giving it to her at Christmas. See reads more and she reads faster. She has read more books since Christmas than she did in the previous four years. She doesn't have to give them away when she is done because she has no place to keep them. Between the Kindle proper, our terabyte SSHD and the online storage she will have a library she always wanted but would never have the space for or the money for because E-books are substantially cheaper.
Obviously, since I said Kindle that means Amazon. Yes, we are prime members so the books are even less expensive and there is a free library you have access too. Plus the Madison Public library can also loan out E-books for use on Kindles.
About the Kindle, Amazon spent a lot of time and money on it's development. It is really a good piece of equipment for reading on because that is all it was designed to do. Everything from the lighting to the font to how you navigate. Do not think for a moment that it is in any way similar to using a kindle app on a tablet, it is not. It is far superior.
So in my house the answer is E-books.

Of course now you can "subscribe" to Volvos and Mercedes Benz so the "Pride of ownership" must be losing its luster.

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06/11/2018 1:46 PM

Your wife sounds a lot like me. I don't read any more than I did before, but I've found some new authors and subjects I like in the $1.99 and free books. Since Mr. BIS and I share an Amazon Prime account and we have some shared tastes we both benefit. We've always bought books to share, so that's nothing new. Glad Ms. Rashavarek is happy!

I admit I didn't comparison-shop e-readers and tablets. The Kindle Fire was on sale; I knew Mr. BIS liked his, so I took the leap.

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In the classic definition of "paper" books, I'd say not entirely but, almost completely from public libraries and everyday use.

People will still have their private, in home, library and new paper books will probably always be printed (perhaps a new method of printing will come to pass) but like so many other forms of communication, paper books are from a different era.

Even our esteemed moderator, BIS, has admitted joining the ranks of the Kindle Fire Brigade.

There was a time when two news papers hit my driveway seven days a week. No more. I still prefer to read as opposed to watching talking heads though. I get my news from several sources on the internet, not TV.

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Another nail in the coffin.

Bid to Eliminate Library Funding, NEA, and NEH

Federal Budget Request Seeks to Defund IMLS ... - Library Journal

This does not bode well for those unable to afford books, or libraries.

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06/13/2018 2:09 PM

The Feds tried this crap last year and didn't get away with it. Yet another attempt to fight public education and turn the next generation of citizens into barely-literate people who aren't qualified to do any job but mine coal and who certainly wouldn't be educated enough to balk at the way they're treated. But that is just my opinion and not necessarily that of my employer.

I'm writing an article for the IEEE Jobs site about the value of professional association membership. One value of ALA membership: they support lobbying and are quite effective at it. They also support intellectual freedom and have been exceptionally successful.

Thanks for the "esteemed" by the way. I appreciate that.

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06/13/2018 2:56 PM

"Mine coal", That's rich!

We have lost our international leadership role in education and are just another country producing semi-literate burger flippers and coal miners who will have no jobs., no insurance and no government assistance when the jobs don't materialize. Automation has, and will continue to, replace physical workers almost every day.

We are facing an uphill battle on education on many fronts and books will eventually disappear from the educational environment.

Some kids, today, can't sign their names in cursive. Eventually, they will dictate to their laptops and the need to use writing instrument will be relegated to the trash heap of history.

We already use voice commands where just a few years ago these new fangled contraptions that play music, plan our trips and do our math homework for us were still far in the future.

Adapt or perish!

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06/11/2018 7:21 PM

For generic schooling purposes,

a hard/soft bound book could be theoretically replaced with some sort of an e-school-book that facilitated reading, searching, researching, substantial annotation, and

tablet-type stylus-completion of homework assignments, class-work, and test-taking,

along with handling of essay-drafts, outside developmental research, etc.,

then they could be an effective alternative,

as long as they were not vulnerable to (outside interference), and,

if they put it in, say, a name-able, warm, fuzzy, cuddle-able, sleeve/jacket, cover

in order to make it seem less intimidating, friendlier, etc...

and if the students could not e-mail each other during tests, etc....

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Some schools are using 30 year old text books.

The money to pay for 15.1 million "e-school books" to supply public school students, grades 9 through 12, will come from what source?

The money is there. The incentive is not.

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06/13/2018 12:31 PM

A visit to the local community college bookstore re-apprises me that, among others, hardbound Calculus textbooks are now near 200 $/ea....

Now, they may have better graphics and more updated sub-topics, but the basic material remains essentially the same as back when such textbooks were 30 to 40 $/ea...

Therefore, in some classes, an outdated textbook would still be sufficient to convey the core material, especially when a pdf of some 40-year old textbook would be quite affordable, and distributable, by even under-funded school districts...

As for history classes, they're gonna keep writin' more an' more of it ever' day, anyway, so the (teacher?...) would still have to personally provide the currently preferred political slant directly...

... but, that's a separate issue, isn't it?...

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A visit to the local community college bookstore re-apprises me that, among others, hardbound Calculus textbooks are now near 200 $/ea....

The value of text books is because of the quantity required/sold is small. Text books will never become and/or make the best sellers list.

When I went to college, I always purchased my books 2 weeks after class started... they were used for 2 weeks and the students dropped out. 1 My GE education and social books, I sold, the Math, Engineering ect... books I kept.

1 I doubt if students drop out today anymore, they are just push through the curriculum and let the next semester instructors deal with them, eventually letting industry deal with them, or they become Social Justice Warriors.

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A college makes more money from a failing student in a required class. They have to now take a remedial class and retake the failed class to gain that honored diploma. At the same time there are many diplomas not honored. These charlatans only want their check to clear before the stooge realizes the debt they incurred is for nothing of value.

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Not all colleges... but yes I do agree with you for the most part.

Take ITT Technical Institute. Students were nothing more that a product and the institute was just a cash generator with no Quality Controls.

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To give them their due merits, at one time ITT Tech was an excellent trade school. The rest, as they say, is history.

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I agree, when you look at the history on how it was founded by ITT Inc. And then it lost its way, like most things after awhile.

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In my opinion, society needs to actually CORRECT the history books and tell the real story. Why are we still teaching our children that the pilgrims sat down to a thanksgiving meal with the indigenous natives. The history books "we" read in school are more cute believable fantasy rather than true history or is a white settler AKA "illegal alien" slaughtering the native population too dark for our children to comprehend!?!?

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06/15/2018 12:07 PM

Not any more.

Religious zealots in Texas and other southern states (maybe more) are re-writing history to Remove the truth about slavery, calling slaves whose lives had no value to "guest workers."

11 heinous lies being taught America's schoolchildren ...

Secretary Refers to Slaves as 'Immigrants' in First Remarks to HUD ...

There is little historical record of the relationship of the Native (first true) Americans during that period. There is ample factual record of the atrocities and brutality inflicted on slaves.

I wonder how history will record the atrocities and terror being inflicted on innocent children at our southern border today?

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06/15/2018 12:11 PM

The next thing you'll want are true myths taught in preschool like gospel canon.

Massachusetts slavery is always fun to point out.

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06/15/2018 12:21 PM

Why are we still teaching our children that the pilgrims sat down to a thanksgiving meal with the indigenous natives.

Frankly, myself, I'd looked it as the pilgrims and all who followed was just another conquering tribe. It fits right in to what the Indians were dealing with prior to the white man. But it will really P'off the 'we were here first.' narrative. True as it is. in both respects.

Carried even farther,. it's like what we have crossing the border now... and if nothing is done, the same will happen to the current Indigenous peoples here as what happened to the Indians,... or one better learn Spanish.

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06/15/2018 2:32 PM

I know my comment may have been a bit off the topic but I think it relates to the paper book VS. the E-Book question.

Paper books, once printed and distributed will never change unless a new edition is written, printed and disseminated to every person that read the paper print while the e-book can be edited, updated and annotated as to what has been changed when incorrect information is proven to need correction and not like Wikipedia where anyone can edit something and then 10 minutes later that info is edited and changed Ad nauseam!

As for the slavery thing..... The "African" slavery trade was in my opinion a way for tribal leaders to thin out their population by selling the criminals and malingerers to traders to take back to wherever, not just North America. There is a lot more to say about slavery but this is not the forum for it.

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06/15/2018 2:41 PM

quality content,.. that's all.

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06/15/2018 3:10 PM

Even with that argument, I'm still not a fan of E-book tablets. Though I'm basing my decision on PAST experience with the poor quality text on SD screens.

I guess I should research them a bit more now since there is a Kindle Fire 10 in HD!

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06/15/2018 3:19 PM

Its hard for me to read for an expended period of time.... i.e. I fall asleep faster. Which is one of the reasons I read at night...

Along those lines on this topic, my girlfriend loves audio books. And it does depend on the narrator of them.

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06/18/2018 11:02 AM

I like reading on an e reader the ones with e ink that look like paper and are not back lit, an lcd screen would bother my eyes. The battery lasts for days if not weeks and has never caused a problem. I read in bed a lot, someone lent me a copy of Artemis by Andy Weir as a physical book. I found the physicality annoying due to having to use a book mark and losing what page I was on if I dropped the book or fell asleep reading it. It was a crisp new book and kept wanting to shut and flip pages on me. The e reader keeps its spot and if I fall asleep, when I turn it on I know exactly what page I was on.

I read a book not too long ago (on an e reader) called "Rainbows end" about AR and a fight to save physical books. In the book they had this huge shredding machine that would shred hundreds of books while taking thousands of pictures. The idea was that it was quicker to shred the books and use a computer to puzzle piece the shreds together for an accurate scan of many books at once. I doubt that would be easier in reality, but it was funny to read a book on an e reader about a fight to save paper books.

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