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Climbing a Ladder in a Pipe (April 2026 Challenge Question)

Posted March 31, 2026 12:00 AM
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A service worker is tasked with replacing some fasteners that are installed on the inner ceiling of a large underground pipe.

The pipe is 12 ft in diameter and she brings with her a 12 ft long ladder. The pipe is perfectly round and is also coated with a very low friction film.

The worker vertically positions the ladder underneath the fasteners she needs to replace.

1.Describe the behavior of the ladder as the worker begins to climb.

2. How can she replace those fasteners?

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Answer, updated 4.27.2026
As the worker climbs the ladder, she changes its center of gravity. With each step, the ladder rotates away from her. By the time she reaches the midpoint, the ladder is nearly horizontal in the pipe and she is underneath (and holding on for dear life). If she continues, the ladder will continue to rotate, until she either falls or is 'climbing' upside down. She cannot reach the fasteners by climbing the ladder in a conventional way.

Instead, she must rotate the ladder so it is perpendicular to her and then very carefully climb on from the side (vsar gets it!). Bonus points to HiTekRedNek as well, as that technique seems viable.

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Re: Climbing a Ladder in a Pipe (April 2026 Challenge Question)

03/31/2026 7:07 AM

The ladder will rotate about its center. As long as she stands with her feet below the center, she should be ok.

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Re: Climbing a Ladder in a Pipe (April 2026 Challenge Question)

03/31/2026 8:15 AM

Let me clarify a bit.

Assume she stands on a step 5 feet 9 inches from the bottom of the ladder and keeps her balance (continues to stand vertically). If the ladder rotates in the pipe, it would lift the lady's weight against gravity as the step traces an arc of radius 3 inches. The equilibrium position would be with the lady standing at the lowest point of this arc.

She must balance herself on a step closer to the bottom of the ladder.

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Re: Climbing a Ladder in a Pipe (April 2026 Challenge Question)

03/31/2026 11:20 PM

I doubled the picture size. You can see two fasteners, left and right in the image.

Place the top of one leg of the ladder against the outside of the fastener you are not working on. It does say 12 foot tunnel and 12 foot ladder, so it should touch. Climb the ladder keeping your center of gravity on your side of the center of the ladder.

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03/31/2026 11:56 PM

Surely the worker should forget the ladder and use a mobile scaffold.

After all there is no way to maintain the angle needed for the base offset 1/3, (4FT) to the height of the ladder (12FT), Has one ever tried to safely to climb a vertical ladder, I have tried to climb a 40ft ladder placed in the back of a ute against a power station wall and let me tell you even with an offset it is not for the faint hearted.

Even turning the ladder side on will nor save the worker from a fall but then one should buy shares in a medical facility.

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Re: Climbing a Ladder in a Pipe (April 2026 Challenge Question)

04/01/2026 12:26 AM

1. The ladder will rotate counterclockwise with the offset weight of the worker, until it is essentially horizontal in the pipe.

2. She summons her coworker who is a similar weight, to hold the rungs near the upper half of the ladder, changing position to offset the rotating effect of the worker as she ascends.

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04/01/2026 2:30 AM

As soon as the worker starts climbing, the center of gravity of the system worker+ladder will shift away from the center or rotation. The resulting torque will cause the ladder to turn, until the combined center of gravity happens to be beneath the rotation point. After crossing that point, there will be a torque in the opposite direction. Making the story short, the system will behave as a pendulum, which will not stop oscillating given that there is no friction and assuming that the worker is not moving in a funny way.

If the worker continues to climb, then the oscillations will become faster and faster, since the frequency of a pendulum is governed by the length of it; in our case, the length between the rotation point and the worker. Now, if the worker ever manages to pass the rotation point, then the whole system will reverse its orientation. Not good either.

In order to avoid such a troubling effect, the worker should climb from the side, so that each leg steps on alternate sides of the ladder. That's only if the ladder is not about to fall on its side (I assume that since it is as long as the tube's diameter, the two legs lock in place to prevent it to move sideways).

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04/02/2026 2:45 AM

Now that I think of it, the worker won't be able to reach the ceiling, since 12ft (or 6ft from the center of rotation) is beyond the reach of the hand. Therefore, the worker will have to stand stepping right on the rotational axis (so that the ladder does not reverse). If there is a ladder step right at that point, or a little below it, then the worker will be able to reach the ceiling.

The question is how much of acrobatic skills are required in order to stand up like this. I guess that as soon as the worker extends her body upwards, she could have time to grab from the point she is supposed to fix. I assume that this point - unlike the rest of the tube - causes a certain amount of friction, otherwise it couldn't be fixed!

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04/01/2026 10:04 AM

The worker can position the ladder horizontally across the pipe and try to balance herself while standing at the center or midway part of the ladder and replacing the fasteners...

Splitting her legs while standing between the two separated center rungs of the ladder and balancing her standing position which by doing so making her use the ladder as a sort of a scaffold..

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04/01/2026 11:15 AM

12 feet do not fit inside of 12 feet. I've tried.

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04/03/2026 4:33 AM

She should climb the ladder from the outside edge, the side, with a leg on each side of the ladder legs, not in the normal method. While on the edge of the ladder she could lock her legs around the side of the ladder and change the rivets. Alternatively, she could remove her steel toed non-slip shoes and put them around the bottom of the ladder to prevent slippage. The shoes would also create upward pressure on the pipe, if it is EXACTLY 12 ft, and the ladder is EXACTLY12 feet, it will not go inside of the pipe so there has to be some tolerance or the ladder will be press-fit into the pipe.

Does the measurement include the corrugations, or not. They will be either be bigger or smaller than the main diameter(Trade size of pipe).

I see corrugations inside of the pipe, so they could be used to chock the ladder feet with proper positioning.

I see many more ways but too many to list here.

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04/04/2026 6:08 AM

The simplest way is to turn the ladder diagonally inside of the pipe and climb the edge of the ladder. The diagonal is longer than the pipe is tall, so it will not slip, it will wedge itself against the wall and the ribs inside of the pipe.

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04/03/2026 7:59 AM

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In the image, I make the worker to be about 7 foot 10 inches tall.

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04/07/2026 4:03 AM

I do love a tall lady.

I saw a clip on TV of a stage act where the guy had a freestanding ladder maybe 8ft tall & was running up and down the ladder without any support. That's who they need for this job.

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04/21/2026 3:10 AM

In fact she wouldn't be able to get the ladder into the position shown, unless she put it in to the end of pipe that way. So, fortunately the solution would become obvious to her when she reached the fasteners.

If she tries to put the ladder up with its vertical axis at right angles to the position shown, it will jam just before it gets to vertical. She then just needs to climb with the ladder leaning away from her, and keep her C of G to her side of bottom of the ladder.

Anyone who has tried to climb a ladder with its foot too close to the bottom of the wall will see how this works straight away.

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04/29/2026 4:38 AM

Looks like the perfect scenario for a slap-stick film.

All that's needed is the addition of a bucket of whitewash!

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04/29/2026 4:54 AM

You can picture it now, they climb the ladder then it spins round until they are upside down, (optional head in the bucket of whitewash).

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04/29/2026 5:05 AM

. . . . . add in various scenarios of getting the ladder into the pipe, going back to collect the bucket of whitewash, attempting to mount the 1st step, etc, etc.

Who could do it justice - following in the footsteps of Buster Keaton?

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04/29/2026 5:38 AM

Slapstick is a dying art, maybe Rowan Atkinson (aka Mr Bean) could do it justice.

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04/29/2026 11:47 AM

Did anyone read my reply at #14

She would not be able to get the ladder into the position shown, or, any position with the rungs parallel to the axis of the pipe: unless she put it in the end of the pipe like that, and then, good luck with trying to manoeuvre along any length of pipe. (See A.)

If however she tried to stand it up with the rungs at a right angle to the axis of the pipe, it would jam just before reaching vertical. (See B and ZOOM.)

In C I have shown the angle that the ladder would jam at by extending the lines from the top and bottom of the ladder in B then fitting a 12 foot line.

The rectangle I have used to represent the ladder is 12 foot long, and, 15 inches wide.

Needless to say that she could easily keep her C of G to her side of the bottom of the ladder whilst climbing it jammed as in C.

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