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Toyota Details Research Plans For Plug-In Prius, Won't Lease Batteries

Posted November 11, 2007 5:14 PM

From Engadget:

Earlier this year, we got word that Toyota was likely to test the waters with a plug-in version of its oh-so-trendy Prius, and now the auto maker has stepped forward and doled out a laundry list of details about the plan. Reportedly, the outfit will be delivering a single "modified Prius" to the University of California, Berkeley and University of California, Irvine for a three-year study designed to "speed up development of plug-in versions of the hybrid." The Golden Bears will be focusing on consumer behavior / lifestyles, while the Anteaters will research technical issues, such as how much juice will be sucked from the power grid when thousands of drivers plug-in their rides for the evening.

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11/12/2007 11:19 AM

Unless we are going back to a future of nuclear energy or moving towards solar, one need only look up the Rankine cycle focusing on the efficiency of electricity production and losses in transmission of a system that is already overtaxed to realize it makes no sense

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11/13/2007 3:45 AM

The poor efficiency of electrical generation and transmission is a red herring circulated by petrol enthusiasts. Consider a petrol engine. It is a large mass of metal that must be heated up and kept hot whilst blowing air and vapourised petrol through it. It must continuously pump a vacuum to vapourise the fuel, and it must pump oil, and turn lots of gears and shafts. Have you ever tried to push a car that is in gear but switched off? Consider an electric car. It has no gears, no need to heat up or keep hot. It uses no energy at the stop lights, and it re-charges when slowing down or going down hill. An electric car will use one tenth of the energy of a petrol car in town driving, and perhaps one fifth in mixed driving. Ten percent electrical transmission loss (of one tenth of the energy, ie one hundredth) is irrelevant by comparisson. These obvious points are being conveniently ignored by the majority of people who are naturally resistant to change. More upsetting, is the fact that the technical press are generally not trying to expose a seemingly inconvenient truth.

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11/13/2007 8:45 AM

i thank you for your comments -- i am very open to change and celebrate they are finally making solar voltaic shigles etc... i am all for it ...

i just wanted to point out that blinders are on , people typically have a great break thru on their little part of the whole without seeing the effect on the big picture -i see this in industry all the time - everyone is a specialist -

definitely mass and energy balance should be evaluated for the whole

there will be many solutions and fits for many needs - geography - distance to travel - weather - etc

i looked interestingly at a segue, then i realized at 12.5 mph max i might as well ride a bike and reduce some of my M to lower my E requirement =1/2MV^2!!!!!

i live in troy michigan and for 20 yrs have said the company to watch is ECD energy conversion devices - a large part of the evolutionary path to the future

the truth is out there!

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11/17/2007 2:22 PM

Another key factor, as stated in the article, is that they are plugged in overnight, when power consumption is off-peak. There is a lot of room for plug-ins overnight with current (pun intended) power generation capacity.

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