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Replacing the Rotor on an Alpha Twin-Spark 164

Posted July 08, 2008 9:06 AM by Steve Melito

Editor's Note: CR4 would like to thank JohnDG for blogging about repairs he made to his 1989 Alpha Romeo 164, a car whose Twin Spark engine had a two-stage valve timing system before Honda's more famous VTEC came along. Cheers, John!

Back in 2000, I was running an '89 Alfa Twin-Spark 164. On a drive back from Cumbria to Reading (about 350 miles), up across the Kirkstone Pass (not stopping!), it started missing, and was struggling up some of the 20% gradients. I pushed on down to the M6 motorway, then sat at about 70 mph for the next 200-odd miles. The engine was alternately trying to race, then losing power. It was gradually getting worse, so I finally pulled into a service area, and called Green Flag (I used to be OK with my old Ford, but I mostly left the T-Spark to the pros!). The guy found that the rotor arm in one of the distributors was completely shot – only the central sleeve was still there. He couldn't replace it, so recovered us the last 40 miles to Reading.

Next morning, I checked out the listed rotor arms at Halfords, but couldn't find one for the T164. I called an Alfa dealer, and was told that the rotor arms where not replaceable, and I'd need a new distributor (about £200 + labour). I checked out the other distributor, and sure enough, the rotor arm was bonded onto the shaft. The kit was Bosch – and it occurred to me that German engineers wouldn't be daft enough to produce distributors which had to be junked because of rotor arm failure. I guessed it was bonded on because it was a "high-performance" version.

I got the part number off the distributor cap, memorized the shape of the intact rotor arm, and went back to Halfords. Trawling through the lists, I found the cap listed, and cross-referenced it to the arms that appeared to work with it. I picked the one which looked most like the one I had, and bought it (about £2-ish). I took it back, and eye-balled it against the intact one – it looked like a good match.

I then cleaned off the remains of the broken rotor, which seemed to be something like GRP, epoxy bonded to the distributor shaft. I chiseled most of it off (with old blunt woodworking tools), cleared out the keyway with a small screwdriver, and rubbed off the remaining bits with wet'n'dry. Offering up the new rotor, it was a perfect fit on the shaft.

After replacing the cap, it started up first "kick", and as far as I know (last heard about 6 months ago from the guy I sold it to), it's still running fine.

Do you have a good car story to tell? If so, message Moose with all the gritty details.

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Re: Replacing the Rotor on an Alpha Twin-Spark 164

07/09/2008 6:18 AM

First class Common Sense! Also a good repair!

Many people feel (wrongly) that the shape of the arm MUST be completely identical to the original.

This is not true.

As long as it fits from a vertical point of view and the metal part fills the same quadrant or exceedingly close, the timing is carried out by the points and weights etc., not by the arm. It just needs to be passing the correct plug lead connection at the same point in time when the spar is generated. Nothing more, nothing less!!!

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07/09/2008 6:21 PM

Brilliant story...

Beating the Alpha storeman.. it makes a Cat purrr with delight, as indeed it did the Alpha!

Kudos...now't like saving a few quid .

Not repairable? My arse! My Dad used to say 'If it can be manufactured, it can be mended' (not so true these days)

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07/10/2008 7:08 AM

Please Guys, it is ALFA Romeo, Annonima Lombardia Fabricca Automobili. My spelling may be off but it remains ALFA, none the less.

" Everytime an Alfa Romeo passes, I raise my hat" Henry Ford

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07/10/2008 6:28 PM

(not guilty!)

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08/04/2008 11:11 AM

You owned an Alfa? I now present you with the award for being a total petrol head!

Congrats, blah, blah, blah...

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08/04/2008 12:19 PM

I couldn't help it! My Ex's Dad's a retired accountant. A while after the Ford Escort I had at the time got TWOCed & torched (I was too broke to get any more wheels at the time), he changed his car, and didn't need the trade-in money, so gave the Alfa to my Ex (who was not so ex at the time).

As she can't drive, she used me as a taxi driver in exchange for me being allowed to use (and maintain!) the Alfa.

(But when I got rid of it on account of it being too expensive to run - I got a 2.9 Sierra - all mine! - hehehehehe!).

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07/12/2008 11:12 PM

I'm keep telling ya' got the skills' Absolutly, "An 89' Alfa Twin-Spark 164". Probably that distributor was trying to catch on with the loads and eventually something give up, Good approach all. You did good then, Allset keep it running seen an strong auto you deal with lot of juice as well... Waaaaooouuuhhhh... No Joke. Penetrating Fluid a nice fan with some orange juice and a nice 'radio station' around, a nice tree as well with couples of nice tools and you on business, well at least with these old puppys, but like -Del Cat- Buddy- pointed out now you will need some others 'tools of the trade' to make it happen 'back to standards' you have the picture. Good Work -DONE- ...OOhh OOhhhhuu... This remember me I have to 'rotate tires' on mine tomorrow --'AAhh Can't Win Again'-- I forgot to spray it with some of that stuff today earlier, Oh Brother! Better take a little break now then, Nice Nite All, easy does it.

Sounds Good to Me,

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08/04/2008 6:12 PM

Respect!

PS. The 2.9 you get in a sierra? Thats whats in my Mk2 Escort...

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08/04/2008 6:20 PM

PlbMak - guess that makes you less of a petrol-head, coz you aint dragging round so much dead weight.

(But the Black Sierra looked sooo coool !)

<as you may've seen elsewhere on CR4, I now have a Citroen AX 1.1 - hangs head in shame >

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