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Harnessing automobile energy

Posted August 13, 2008 9:07 AM

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Researchers at Ohio State University have invented a new material that may make cars even more efficient by converting heat wasted through engine exhaust into electricity. The material is claimed to have twice the efficiency of anything currently on the market. The same technology could work in power generators and heat pumps, said Joseph Heremans, one of the developers of the new material. The efficiency of thermoelectric materials is based on how much heat they can convert into electricity at a given temperature. Previously, the most efficient material used commercially in thermoelectric power generators was an alloy called sodium-doped lead telluride, which had a rating of 0.71. The new material, thallium-doped lead telluride, has a rating of 1.5 - more than twice that of the previous leader. What is more important to Heremans is that the new material is most effective between 450 and 950 degrees Fahrenheit - a typical temperature range for power systems such as automobile engines.

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08/13/2008 7:58 PM

That "waste heat" is not "escaping" from the motor, it is being forcibly ejected so that the motor can have as high an efficiency as it does. Will this 1.5 conversion number be enough to make up for loss of efficiency in your engine?

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08/13/2008 11:38 PM

Hi Dave,

I doubt that conversion number will come anywhere near recouping the eficiency loss of the current crop of ICE. It may, however, (unless it's ridiculously expensive) help. There is always a trade-off point of no return - based on the expected return on investment

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08/14/2008 3:17 AM

When I read an efficiency of 0.71 I say wow, assuming 1 if full conversion.

But I have to rethink it and read 0.71% which is for me : stop the complete project now. even 1.5% is a joke.

Install a simple Stirling generator and the overall efficiency goes easely up to 20% with a dT of 200 to 300°.

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08/14/2008 9:41 AM

Maybe they didn't mean that the "efficiency" was 1.5 (150%) but rather that some coefficient of something. It sounds to me like another case of a non-scientific person trying to write an article/synopsis of something that they don't understand. My guess is that if you spoke to the people in charge of the research they would tell you that the .71 and 1.5 are coefficients of thermal conductivity or something like that because you are right to say that an efficiency of 1.5 is a joke (or someone finally found the answer to that whole cold fusion thing ).

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08/15/2008 7:32 AM

Or else Ohio State researchers figured out a way to use the "hi" in their name in a very innovative manner...

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08/16/2008 7:57 PM

How do these so-called researchers get by with quoting temperatures in the outmoded Fahrenheit scale.

Surely the Kelvin scale, or at least the Celsius scale should be used, as these are International Standards.

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08/18/2008 2:30 AM

As usual you are quite right but you will find out that US still uses the imperial units as they are convinced that the metric system which is "invented" by Napoleon is bad.

None of them understands why Napoleon decided to go for this system but that is of a lesser importance.

But let's keep it a secret that the fact that they drive at the right side of the road is also a decision of Napoleon. Some Rednecks migth decide to start driving left.

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