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U.S. Wind Power Strangled by Antiquated Power Grid

Posted August 27, 2008 8:20 AM

From Health & Science - International Herald Tribune:

WASHINGTON: When the builders of the Maple Ridge Wind Farm spent $320 million to erect nearly 200 windmills in upstate New York, the idea was to get paid for producing electricity. But at times, regional electric lines have been so congested that Maple Ridge has been forced to shut down even with a brisk wind blowing. That is a symptom of a broad national problem. Expansive dreams about renewable energy, like Al Gore's hope of replacing all fossil fuels in a decade, are bumping up against the reality of a power grid that cannot handle the new demands. The dirty secret of clean energy is that while generating it is getting easier, moving it to market is not. The grid today, according to experts, is a system conceived 100 years ago to let utilities prop each other up, reducing blackouts and sharing power across small regions. It resembles a network of streets, avenues and country roads. "We need an interstate transmission superhighway system," said Sudeen Kelley, a member of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, which governs many interstate transmission projects.

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08/28/2008 12:42 AM

Build high speed trains east to west and north to south and use the rail support system for the power grid.

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08/28/2008 2:08 AM

Aren't there any dirty power plants that can be shut down, instead of the clean generating wind power plants?

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08/28/2008 2:13 AM

If they go and drill in Alaska after they build the roads into the Tundra we could install thousands of Wind mills there.

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08/28/2008 10:18 AM

No, you can't shut down so-called "dirty" power plants, because they are your base power, whereas wind and solar are only peaking power. If it gusts then stops like it normally does at night, right around dinner time, you will have no power. There are some storage ideas out there, but they involve a lot of money and environmental impact reports too.

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08/28/2008 3:13 PM

I doubt that it is an either or situation. I'm sure you could carve out apiece of the load that is dependant on coal during the day. Leave coal power for at night or for base power. When the wind is blowing, power down the coal plants. There are more than Ideas about storage. Japan has battery packs. (34MW for a 7 hour period, and larger). It just takes the will to do it.

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08/28/2008 10:23 AM

So we've basically reached a fork in the progress road. We could go back the way we came, but we'd have to reduce our expectations and standard of living. Or we can choose one fork or the other. One leads downhill, and is marked "continue the way you're going". The other seems to lead uphill, and is marked "improve the infrastructure". The downhill road may seem easier to travel, but the uphill road leads to a better view. Which will "we" as a society choose?

OBTW, I do have to wonder why people smart enough to have $320M to spend on a wind farm weren't smart enough to check out the local grid first...

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08/28/2008 12:20 PM

Well I suspose that the placed where wind power is best to harness is going to be there and no going to move close to the grid.

Well maybe if we ask really really nice. Pretty Please.

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08/28/2008 2:45 PM

VFT technology provides a controlled path between electrical grids, permitting power exchanges that were previously impossible because of technical constraints, such as asynchronous boundaries or congestion. Hydro-Québec expects that the VFT technology will enable the Langlois Substation to transfer an extra 100 megawatts of power between grids.
The VFT system is based on a combination of hydro generator and transformer technologies. It consists of a rotary transformer that provides a continuously controllable phase shift for any angle, and a drive system and control that adjust the angle and speed of the rotary transformer to regulate power flow. The VFT's 100-megawatt channels can be combined for up to 400 megawatts in a single installation.

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