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A Yard Stick for the Universe

Posted September 19, 2008 10:58 AM

From Discovery News Top Stories : Discovery Channel:

Is the universe's expansion detectable over a period as short as 10 years? About seven billion years ago, the universe went into a sort of pubescent growth spurt that as far we know hasn't slowed down. Scientists call the growth stimulus dark energy, for lack of a better term or an understanding of the mechanics. Now they've invented a tool called a laser comb that can measure expansion rates over time periods as short as 10 to 20 years. Ronald Walsworth, with the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, offers this as an example: Say you want to figure out if something big, like your house, has moved a millimeter. If you counted on a measuring stick that chalked off miles, you'd never know. But if you had a ruler nicely hashed out by the millimeter, it'd be a cinch. Laser combs refine the technique of spectroscopy, a process that picks apart a photon's journey from its source to our telescopes by identifying what chemicals it has passed through. The fingerprints emerge by splitting the light into component wavelengths and comparing absorption lines in its spectrum with the wavelengths of laboratory sources. The laser combs take a target's light signature one step further. If you've ever sat at a railroad stop and heard the train whistle, you know how it changes pitch as it comes closer or as it recedes down the tracks. The same shift takes place not only in sound waves, but in all wavelengths, including visible and ultraviolet light.

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09/20/2008 12:32 AM

There is a problem with all measurement.

If the ruler shrinks or expands at the same rate as the measured object, the measurer is never able to know.

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09/20/2008 1:03 AM

There are materials that have a CTE of zero. There even are methods for combining materials with differing CTE's that cancel each other out.

When figuring the parabolic surface of a telescope mirror, we are working with incoherent light to measure to a millions of an inch. Amateur telescope makers do this with precision on a regular basis with very modest, inexpensive home built testers.

If we can do that with incoherent light and crude testers I fail to see why a laser of an appropriate frequency can't be successfully brought to bear.

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09/20/2008 1:35 AM

Hello Laughing Jaguar

Perhaps I did not explain properly.

If all the material universe shrank or expanded, along with everything in it, there would be no way to perceive that decrease or increase in volume.

All measuring devices and yardsticks, would shrink or grow, including wavelengths of light, lasers, etc that's why.

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09/20/2008 1:48 AM

I understand.

However, if the device being used is part of the expanding universe it's measuring, then it too is expanding at the same rate.

Wouldn't that automatically cancel out the error?

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09/20/2008 2:46 PM

Let's see. If the universe and everything in it is expanding, that explains why my girth is increasing even though I am on a diet.

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09/22/2008 6:44 PM

Hello Laughing Jaguar

Yes, no error would be perceptible, by an observer inside the expanding or shrinking volume.

So the Universe and all in it could expand or likewise contract (never at the same time in the same place, of course), and the entity measuring could never know the truth of any increase or decrease.

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09/22/2008 5:01 PM

I've read about this recently, and it seems to be a workable filter (if that's the right word) for the purpose. I can't see any induced errors from the methodology, at any rate.

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