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Will Higher Shipping Costs Kill World Trade?

Posted November 10, 2008 8:12 AM

Higher shipping costs due to increased energy prices have already rendered Chinese-made steel uncompetitive in the U.S. This trend is sure to continue and will affect other low value-to-weight products such as heavy machinery. Will higher shipping costs move heavy industrial manufacturing closer to points of consumption, and will this be a good thing for the world economy?

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11/10/2008 10:55 PM

It will not kill trade but it will slow down world trade.

On low cost items it will have a big impact while less on high cost trading items

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11/11/2008 8:28 AM

Yes, in the recent past, this was true - however oil has fallen tremendously and with it the price of fuels has too. Just paid $2.39/gallon of gasoline yesterday. Haven't done that in several years.

What remains to be seen is if the price of oil returns to the $100/barrel level or remains where it currently is for some time.

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11/11/2008 11:21 AM

Did you know EXXON OIL Company reported a 14.2 billion profit for the 3rd quarter?

Somebody has control!?

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11/11/2008 11:45 PM

"Did you know EXXON OIL Company reported a 14.2 billion profit for the 3rd quarter?"

Do you know the dollar volume in sales it took to generate that profit? I'll bet you don't!

Just so there is no mistaken my motives or sentiments, I HATE Exxon! Understand? The screwed a lot of Alaskan fishermen and their families, dragged the case from Court to Court and got away with economic rape of those communities and tens of thousands dependent on them.

Now your misrepresentation has placed me in a position where I must defend a firm that disgusts me!

At 16% Coca Cola and Pepsi-co had double the profits of any oil company. The medium profit for entire oil industry was just over 8%!

I know CFO's that would almost kill to have a pretax profit of 10% and your damning a company that isn't even near that!

When we testify in court we take an oath to tell the truth, THE WHOLE TRUTH, not just the part we like. Telling just enough of the truth to distort it is what politicians do.

I've had enough of those guys for the last two years. I'd like not to read that kind of stuff here thank you.

I can think of a dozen reasons why Exxon should be burned at the legislative stake and the execs and drunk captains sent to jail.

How much money they made is NOT one of them!

L. J.

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11/14/2008 11:16 AM

Exxon is small potatoes compared to the Middle East and some South American oil groups. The US sent over a trillion dollars to these oil groups and they all hate us. At least with Exxon it is based in the US and provides employment and stock value. How many shares do you own in the Middle East and South American oil companies??

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11/14/2008 2:24 PM

I am not faulting Exxon's contribution to the economy. Not in taxes paid (which often get overlooked by many), not in jobs created either.

If by your statements you are suggesting that their gross negligence and social irresponsibility in other areas like Alaska should be overlooked, then count on my arguing full disclosure.

The Love Canal disaster and Occidental Petroleum Corporation's behavior are a source of embarrassment to industry in general and fuel the arguments of covert modern day Luddites who are anti industry in general and hide behind these legitimate excuses to further an agenda that is crippling this Country's productivity.

You can't count on elected officials to protect us from such messes. The elected officials in Niagara Falls were held accountable too.

I don't own stock in anything any more. The sensible criteria that used to be the benchmark for ownership no longer exist. The chaotic wild swings are evidence of a insane market and just not for me.

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11/14/2008 2:29 PM

Yes, I did hear that, I think they should foot the bill for the "bail out" instead of us taxpayers!

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11/12/2008 2:44 AM

This blog entry proves that economic decision makers just don't know what they are deciding on.

They close factories as they have proven that they can do it cheaper at the other side of the globe.

What they forget is that in many cases the differences come from factors where they have no control over.

In many cases they also assume that the other factory will deliver at least the same quality if not better. Forgetting that the original production facility has gone through a learning curve of 30 to +100 years.

The real transport costs are in many cases not accounted for in the first calculations. Only later they find out that this becomes a serious part of the total product cost. Of coarse they have add transport cost, but only a fraction of it. the total handling and cost of lost and stolen containers, delay in the feedback cycle if something goes wrong,....

And never forget: if you go to a low wage country you will have to teach your personnel all the skills they need. Once they know it they become a thread as they become more interesting for other companies, so you will have to pay them more. result: key personnel costs more than assumed and sometimes even more than in the original factory.

But never forget: the one who took the decision has got his bonus.

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Re: Will Higher Shipping Costs Kill World Trade?

11/12/2008 2:41 PM

Not likely though it should ramp up competition.

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11/21/2008 5:26 PM

Decreased trade due to increased energy prices would be a bad thing for the world economy. I've read stuff by Wendell Berry on the virtues of local economies, but IMHO a lot of this is romanticism. People trade when there's a willing buyer and seller. Removing that option is a bad thing.

The trouble is cheap energy right now depends on oil, which is distroying the environment and running out. If we don't find alternatives, the world will be go back to a more local economy and possibly accept some other elements of pre-industrial life.

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