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NASA Testing Next Generation Firefighting Gear for Fires... In Spaaace! [Space]

Posted April 06, 2009 12:54 PM

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In space, no one can hear you scream "Fire." Not that it'd matter, as few people could recognize a microgravity fire anyway. This means space firefighting gear needs to be special. NASA is on it. First, a primer. Fire in microgravity isn't the flickering kind that happened when you set the house ablaze with your chemistry set as a kid. It's actually spherical (see image), and spreads around space stations, space shuttles or special projects like Orion faster than you can say "Hey, I didn't know NASA let us smoke on the space shuttle?" NASA astronaut Jerry Linenger got to experience space fire first hand in 1997, when an oxygen candle aboard Mir caught fire and filled the space station with smoke. "I did not expect smoke to spread so quickly," Linenger said in an interview with Discovery. "(It) was about 10 times faster than I would expect a fire to spread on a space station." So NASA, not wanting to roast its astronauts alive, has continued to research and fine tune a variety of next generation space fire-fighting systems. A few prototypes work well, but they're messy, coating the fire spheres and pretty much everything else in the vicinity with a fine mist, fog or "water foam" made up of a non-toxic oxygen-nitrogen mix. The special extinguishers have actually been around for about a decade, but only recently has NASA noticed them, funded them, and started testing in microgravity experiments. Previously, NASA's main advice for astronauts in a dangerous fire-related situation was "abandon ship" (seriously)— an option which would be, obviously unavailable to an Orion crew on a Mars or Moon mission. I say bring on the mess so long as the "Go Directly to Earth" autopilot button stays dry. If I were in a tin can millions of miles from home, I'd take soggy, foamy clothes over the other option any day of the week. Better messy than dead, says I.

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04/06/2009 11:59 PM

Can't they just vent the oxygen out of the compartment to kill the fire? and have oxygen masks drop down?

or is it like in the first Battle star galactica that they keep on fighting the fire while there is a vacuum all around them.

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04/09/2009 4:45 AM

"In event of the cabin decompressing, oxygen masks will gently dangle infront of you, to entertain you as you die a horrible death"

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04/09/2009 8:42 PM

It seems to work in planes, and it is not like a sub deep under water it would get colder instead of warmer when a vent to outer space would open.

anyway getting rid of the air is always faster than adding some foam agent. And

a good trained astronaut should be able to hold his breath for a few minutes, enough time to get a personal O2 supply IMO.

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04/07/2009 12:10 PM

CO2 and breather equipment would be better in any case. Venting to space requires another valve that could get stuck or clogged and would kill the astronauts. Water mixtures are no good on burning metals i.e. Magnesium, but beer is good for barbeque fires. Halon is life threatining.

One of the crew is probably 2nd tasked with safety. Have him/er looking over Bubbas sholder before flicking the Bic.

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04/07/2009 12:20 PM

Tippycanoe,

with all due respect.. venting to space is fast, effective, cheap (don't have to carry extra pounds of CO2) and controllable.. it doesn't even have to reduce the oxygen level to zero.. just low enough that the flames go out. and it works for all types of fire, so multiple types of fire extinguishers not required. If the fire is with the O2 system... well good luck anyway...

You are right about an extra valve, but there is going to be technical hurdles no matter which choice is used.. valves and high pressure are used for CO2 last time i checked..and so there is risk there too..even more in fact..

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