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How to Loosen a Thread Pin from Bottom of Motor Shaft

05/18/2015 3:56 PM

Sorry I do not know the correct terms for these items, but I will do my best to describe.

I have a hydraulic motor that attaches to a pulley. At the bottom of the motor that connects to the pulley there is a nut. I removed the nut, but inside is a shaft is a rectangle metal wedge that is used to the keep the pulley from slipping. Question. How do I remove the wedge to get the pulley off. I have tried to pry it off, but don't want to bend the pulley.

Any suggestion would be great.

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05/18/2015 4:22 PM

A picture would be nice. Just sound like a keyed shaft and pulley. Should slide off. May want to check the pulley for a set screw that would be set against the key. Then if it's been together some time may be little difficult. Try tapping on it with a rubber mallet while turning it so the blows are not in the same location. Then there are pullers that grab the pulley on it's rim with jack bolt in the center. Caution to put the nut back in so the jack bolt does not damage the threads. Some times you just have to destroy the pulley to get it off.

Then again I could be way off base. Just know the many shaft and pulley connections that I have had to work on. I can't see it from here to tell.

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05/18/2015 4:42 PM

Search GOOGLE or YOUTUBE for "How to remove a pulley from a keyed shaft!

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05/18/2015 9:06 PM

THANKS. That was it and the how to video worked like a champ.

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05/19/2015 9:27 AM

You are welcome, I could have written a 1000 word explanation with diagrams and pictures but YOUTUBE already had something that would show you which tools to use and how to apply the tools to your application.

Good luck on your project!

P.S. My work blocks YOUTUBE so I just kind of guessed at the search term!

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05/18/2015 5:24 PM

You need a puller.The 3 arms grip the pulley and the center screw pushes the shaft.

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05/18/2015 6:55 PM

If there is no snap ring, then lyn has given you your answer.

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05/18/2015 8:59 PM

I doubt there was a snap ring on the shaft, because the OP said they removed a nut. I have never seen a snap ring on a shaft that was attached by a nut. And a key!

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05/19/2015 11:29 AM

My 72" finish mower on my farm has 8 pulleys on the main drive belt. All of them have a snap ring underneath the retaining nut.

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05/19/2015 5:11 PM

I stand corrected!

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05/20/2015 9:43 AM

Is there a clear reason for that, or is just belt and suspenders engineering?

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05/20/2015 12:22 PM

My WAG is that the snap ring is a safety backup. The first time I changed out a pulley I didn't know about them and utter destruction ensued.

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05/20/2015 12:40 PM

LOL! I only laugh, because I have been there, done that, got the T-shirt, and never went back for another.

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05/19/2015 12:28 AM

No matter what he uses to remove the pulley, if the key is a flat bottom on or a round bottom one---

Be extremely careful, you could damage the pulley bore or the shaft. Not nice things to be confronted with. Be slow, gentle and repeated small taps with a brass/bronze hammer are the best way most often.

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Re: How to Loosen a Thread Pin from Bottom of Motor Shaft

05/18/2015 10:53 PM

The rectangular meal piece is know as a shaft "KEY".

When you either pull the shaft from the pulley or the pulley from the shaft.. Save this key, as it must be replaced when re-assembling these or similar pieces.

This KEY locks the pulley to the shaft, in order to transmit the power or torque of the shaft to the pulley.

To dis-assemble the pulley from the shaft, you need to acquire a three-legged wheel or pulley puller.

The hooked legs catch the outer edges of the pulley and the heavy screw is tightened against the shaft center.

Lubricate the shaft on either face of the pulley and slowly crank down on the screw until, hopefully, the pulley begins to slide off the shaft.

Note: The screw should have a point on the end that will be placed against the shaft end that has a counter-sunk depression for this specific action.

Watch carefully that you do not fatally distort the pulley edges!

Slight propane heating and cooling repetitions with added lubricant during the cooling faze helps with stubborn pulley removals.

Good luck!

DON'T misplace the key!

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05/19/2015 1:31 AM

Midnight Cowboy was the only one to suggest judicious application of heat

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05/19/2015 2:18 AM

Warming the pulley and not the shaft? It works for me.

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05/19/2015 10:36 AM

I think heating either will put some (maybe not intense) heat on the other. Either way, the expansion should cause the pulleybore and shaft OD to open up, accept lubricant/penetrating oil, slightly reduce the iron oxide (if present).

Good stuff, all.

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05/19/2015 10:46 AM

Check for two set screws, one directly on the key and another 90 degrees around the collar from the key. If the pulley is a press fit, it should have 3 or more holes in it for a puller to drop bolts through. If you should use a finger puller that engages the outside diameter of the pulley, you will likely bend the thin metal.

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05/19/2015 1:39 PM

A truer statement has never been made.

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05/21/2015 12:15 PM

Gradually lower the temperature of the shaft by gradually applying dry ice to it. Slow enough that the shaft metal cools but not fast/cold enough to crack the shaft metal. When loose enough pull the pulley off the shaft. If an induction heater can heat a bearing dry ice can cool a shaft!

or--

Make a "crude but safer" pulley/gear puller". Example for a 3/4" shaft with a soft sided pulley on it cut two pieces of 1/4=3/8" thick x 2" wide steel about 2-3" longer than the diameter of the pulley. Mark one at the length and width center and also at a point both equidistant from the center but wider apart than the pulley diameter plus 1". Drill a 7/8" whole in the center of one and cut/grind away from this hole a slot the same dia. as the hole to one side of this piece. Next drill holes in each end at the furthest marks and drill a 33/64" hole in each. Slide notched piece over shaft between pulley and motor. Place blank centered piece at end of shaft at center of pulley bore. Put 1/2" cap screws, preferably fine thread, through these holes and put flat washers and nuts on these bolts. Tighten up bolts evenly and the pulley will come off. Tap center of outer piece with hammer just like would be done with a gear puller. Since the outer diameter of the pulley is not being pulled there will be no distortion. Added benefit is that it will not peen over the shaft end from hitting it with a hammer if brass hammer is not available. Works like a 2 jaw puller but doesn't distort the pulley.

Before doing this, if the pulley is so stuck on that you can not pull it off by hand use liberal applications of "Blaster", Liquid Wrench or similar products.

This works good especially when the idiot down the street who borrowed your lawn mower but hasn't returned it yet tells you that his "brother-in-law" borrowed his gear puller just that morning.

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05/20/2015 9:25 AM

If you have room between the pulley and motor I would suggest you use a bearing puller plate to avoid damaging the pulley.

Most automotive parts stores have tool rental or loan services available where you can get the size needed.

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05/20/2015 4:21 PM

Anatomy of a taper lock pulley, famous for rusting on permanently:

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05/21/2015 9:51 AM

Otherwise known as a mechanic's nightmare waiting for him to go to sleep.

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