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Lowery Heritage Organ

07/14/2015 4:18 PM

I recently had a technician check out my organ. My flutes are not working at all, my lower keyboard is not working,and my percussion instruments when trying to use have a continuous tone when I hit a key. The technician told me a board was shot and my organ can not be repaired. Do you know the name of the part my organ needs?

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07/14/2015 4:23 PM

There was a posting earlier about Huge Male Organ Enhancement so I'm not sure.

All kidding aside!

What model number is your Organ.

  • So I'm assuming that there is a circuit board in the Organ that is bad.
  • Where do you live?
  • Are there any electronic supply stores near where you live?
  • Look for a different technician?

Give us a little more information - pictures - diagrams - ANYTHING!

Does it look like this?

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07/14/2015 4:30 PM

If it looks like that, then no wonder it is un-repairable...

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07/15/2015 8:27 AM

No kidding!! Those of us in Amateur Radio used to fight RFI problems with electronic organs and Curtis Mathes TV sets for what seemed like eternity. Looking at that board I now understand why!

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07/15/2015 8:58 AM

"That" is an actual circuit board? Geez, somebody find a hangman. If that was a railroad, I can see all kinds of horror. Hey boss, can't you line 'em? Rumble, rumble.

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07/15/2015 11:15 AM

That is a hand-wired chassis,circa 1960's and prior,before printed circuit boards

became the norm.If you wore bi-focals when doing repairs,it was even harder.

You should have seen some of the wire-wrap boards on computers at the time.

Tv's, radios,etc. were all hand wired,and some of the most reliable.

A friend brought me an old metal case"portable" Zenith to repair.

He said it had been thrown off of the truck at a metal recylcer,where he worked.

It had a large dent in the metal case,and was pretty well trashed.

He was in a bad way financially,did not have a TV,so I told him I would look at it ,but

not to expect much.

I plugged it in with fingers crossed,and immediately saw a bad damper tube socket.

Replaced the socket,installed the original damper tube,and Walla! A perfect color

picture! Not even a static or dynamic convergence alignment was needed.

He left a happy man.

It was still playing fine 10 years later when he passed.

It was a hand-wired chassis!

Confucius say:

"Smart man give wife piano for birthday."

"Wise man give wife upright organ."

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07/15/2015 2:30 PM

We were still launching covert satellites into orbit with wire wrapped boards into 1985, maybe later.

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07/15/2015 2:54 PM

Nothing wrong with wire-wrap. Done properly it is as good as a soldered joint. Built a lot of ham radio stuff in the day using wire-wrap. Think I still have the tools.

It kind of reminds me of knob and tube house wiring!!

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07/15/2015 3:10 PM

I agree.

But what occupied feet with wire wrap/through hole technology can be done with surface mount in inches today and at 10% of the cost and weight.

Ever watch a chip shooter?

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07/15/2015 3:33 PM

The newer technology is better in many ways,but most new boards are not

serviceable at a component level.

Troubleshoot to the board level only.

No need for highly trained technicians.

Most boards have built in diagnostics to indicate the problem,or lead you to it.

Bad board? Trash it.Not worth fixing.

In some ways,though,I still miss the discreet components.

The old guys like us will just fade away,like the blacksmiths of yesteryear.

And eventually,the present technology will become outdated,and some yet-to-be born

engineer will look back at the old "state of the art" and wonder how they did it with

such crude devices.

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07/15/2015 3:48 PM

The old stuff I worked on was very hard to trouble shoot and service after it was put into orbit around the Earth.

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07/15/2015 4:33 PM

I don't see the problem Lyn!?!?!? These guys are managing just fine!

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07/15/2015 4:48 PM

Yes, they are using stilts is all...

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07/15/2015 5:28 PM

It's all fake and done on a sound stage anyway.

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07/15/2015 12:40 PM

No the ciritry looks nothing like the picture you sent.

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07/14/2015 4:29 PM

No, though the technician might.

eBay (usual disclaimer)?

Freecycle (usual disclaimer)?

Amazon (usual disclaimer)?

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07/14/2015 4:39 PM

For a sec I thought this was more spam.

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07/14/2015 4:40 PM

Me too until I actually read it and it is for a different kind of ORGAN!

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07/14/2015 4:43 PM

If this is an early solid state machine, you might find data in the "Sams Photofact" library.

In addition, a comprehensive cleaning of contacts as as well as potentiometers and sliders might improve it.

Contact cleaner can be found in many electronic shops as well as online.

Avoid the use of Benzene, Xylene, Methylene Chloride and lacquer thinners. They are aggressive solvents and will make plastic sticky.

Use only low solvency cleaners that dissolve grease. Watch out for flames, so do this outside, and no smoking while at it.

You might find organ service men, but they might look at you as if you were some sort of cow - the cash kind.

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07/14/2015 5:21 PM

Lyn, You get a GA for that one. Oh ... Wait a minute. How much for shipping???

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07/14/2015 5:27 PM

Buy local:

$100

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Jun 4 Kimball M300 organ $100 (San tan valley) [x]

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07/14/2015 6:00 PM

We actually had one of these exact organs for 30 years.

It lasted through two sets of kids and never quit working.

My wife gave it away and bought a huge 6 place dining room table that we never use.

Go figure.

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07/14/2015 9:26 PM

I have an app for that.....

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07/15/2015 12:04 AM

There is no way anyone here would know the name of the part(s) your organ needs. It can be repaired with enough diligence using the correct repair manual. The question is: Is it worth it? See Post 5.

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07/15/2015 4:01 AM

Maybe a baculum?

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07/15/2015 4:15 AM

The major part you need is time and probably a sack of commitment too.

This is quite the music box isn't it? Impressive, and old. I can see why you want to repair it but it may be uneconomical to do so unless one of the manuals already pointed at does the trick....but then you need somebody who wants to and is capable to fix it....like you for instance.(?)

Sorry. Not much help, but I have a feeling that a new one (perhaps one named after a Japanese motorbike) might be the most economical solution. Sell it after 2 years in working order and continue to replace it with another new one at the same interval.

Now the technician who said a board was shot.....that was another way of saying forget it it will cost more to fix than it's worth...technicians and vets have this dilemma all the time, cost of treatment V cost of humane destruction....sad, crying clients.

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07/15/2015 9:13 AM

About a decade ago I had an early-70s Thomas organ with the same problem. When I asked our piano tuner if he'd look at it and try to repair it he laughed out loud and told me to scrap it--he wouldn't clean the contacts because it'd be cheaper to just buy a "new" one than to crack it open in the first place. Unfortunately electronic organs, and American reed organs as well, seem to be worth more dead than alive.

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07/15/2015 10:01 AM

"organ can not be repaired."

That cannot be the truth, maybe it needs more time than the technician thought on spend on it.

You can find service manuals here: http://www.lowreyforum.com/lowreymanuals.htm and if you write the exact type maybe I can help.

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07/15/2015 2:14 PM

The model is Lowery Heritage 400C

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07/15/2015 12:46 PM

Pictures etc, but no model number?

Is there any nameplate data?

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07/15/2015 2:08 PM

I found a number in the back: 400c 109E1 62174

Does that help?

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07/15/2015 2:17 PM

yes, I searched. the company name is lowrey.

400c = model, the rest is probably a serial number.

root down these

lowrey 400c repair

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07/15/2015 7:05 PM

Everything is 'repairable' if you spend enough time and resources. Most modern techs only exchange pcb boards and will not repair/debug at a component level. You will need to find an "ol' timer" that will. I wish you the best of luck.

If I were to do it, I would first check all the electrolytic capacitors then put a multimeter across a few to see if the rail voltages are shorted to ground. Replace and check again. I would predict at that vintage that the caps are dried out.

Personally, I would would not scrap it. I played at an old church in my younger early teen days. The organ was playing up and they wanted to scrap it since it was old and replace it with a then modern one. Years later when I became "learned" I realized what I was playing...a hammond B3. If I knew, I would have 'off-loaded" it for them and donated a modern one myself.

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07/15/2015 8:01 PM

Some of the new surface mount chips have solder leads that are very tiny and require surgical skills with a soldering pencil and a magnifying glass to repair.

Yes,they have machines to do this, but manual replacement has all but vanished.

I replaced the chip in one of the first digital watches,a Timex.

The factory tried to talk me out of it,but I persisted and they sent me the chip free.

I should have listened to them.

I had to make special soldering tip for my soldering pen,and use a 10X magnifier to do the work.

Much work eliminating bridged traces.

What a pain. First and last one I will ever do.

The really old stuff that was hand wired had soldered joints that had crystallized with

cold joints after 40 or so years,and of course,as you say, the caps were mostly bad.

Even NOS caps can go bad due to loss of polarity of the electrolyte if stored for many years.

Capacitors can go bad without drying up,and some can be restored(reformed) with

the proper equipment if they are not shorted or otherwise damaged.

It requires a voltage be applied over a period of time and retested for leakage.

Sencore makes one (a Z-Meter),or used to.Probably an antique by now.

A blanket re-soldering of all joints is in order for reliability.

I still do an occasional tube radio restoration,but not as a trade,just a hobby if I find

an old derelict at a yard sale or auction.

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