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Turbine Power Calculation

07/19/2015 3:21 AM

I WANT TO KNOW STEAM TURBINE CALCULATION

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Re: Turbine power calculation

07/19/2015 3:33 AM

YOU SHOULD INTERDUCE YOURSELF TO MR. TEXTBOOK, HE WILL INTERDUCE YOU TO SREAM TURBINE CALCULATIONS SO YOU GET TO KNOW THEM PERSONALLY.

In the mean time quit shouting!

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07/19/2015 4:21 AM

In the meantime, you could introduce yourself to a dictionary.

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07/19/2015 7:26 AM

BLOODY WELL LOOK IT UP, THEN!

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07/19/2015 7:34 AM
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Re: Turbine Power Calculation

07/19/2015 12:43 PM

Dear Mr.ravigunji,

Your question is of general nature.

You have to specify, the following:

1. Power Rating 2. InletSteamCondition. 3. Ehxhaust Steam Condition, whether it is BACK PRESSURE MODE or CONDENSING MODE. 4. If Steam is extracted for Process, the Quantity and Steam Condition at which steam is bled for Process from the Turbine.. 5. No. of Stages in the Turbine. 6. Whether Steam is with drawn for RE-HEATING at Constant Pressure and admit the same Steam to the Turbine

The NETT Heat Drop/Kg. of Steam in the Turbine has a vital factor for Steam Consumption. From the above parameters, we can calculate the Nett Heat Drop per Kg.of Steam using the Steam Table or Mollier Chart.

Then the Heat required/KWHr. is 860 K.Cal/KWHr. or 3600 KJ/KWHr.

Once the Heat Drop per Kg. of Steam is calculated, then Steam consumption per KWHr. is obtained i.e. 860/Heat Drop per Kg.of Steam and let this value be M. This M multiplied by Power Rating of the Turbine will give total Steam Consumption.

Based on the inlet and exhaust Steam conditions the Pipe Size can be calculated by using the appropriate velocity and Sp. Vol. of the Steam.

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07/21/2015 1:21 AM

Dear sir

This is very very small capacity steam turbine i.e 100 kw, here inlet pressure :20Bar,out let steam pressure :9.0bar,this is back pressure mode steam turbine.this is single stage and steam coming from the waste heat recovery,

According to this i want to calculate steam turbine power calculation and give me basic procedure for this.

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07/19/2015 1:46 PM

What powers your steam turbine?

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07/19/2015 4:30 PM

100,000 rice cookers?

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07/19/2015 5:32 PM

What's up with all the recent questions on steam turbine design? That you A.MUTHU SELVI?

Try asking again providing more information on exactly which calculation and not shouting.

Before doing that try a simple internet search first.

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07/19/2015 10:34 PM

All snarkiness aside, we realize English is not your first language. But when you pose such a general question with little data, you cannot expect to get anything more than a general answer.

I suggest that you learn how to communicate with knowledgeable people by taking responsibility for making yourself understood. That is not a function of the specific language as much as being aware of what you are asking and how you are asking.

Responders: I notice a lot of sarcasm on this forum. While it might be fun in the moment, we need to keep in mind that posters are sometimes junior engineers and students who need encouragement, even if the answer seems obvious to us. We know the answers but to someone who doesn't, it isn't obvious. There was a time when it wasn't obvious to us either.

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07/19/2015 10:48 PM

pdef1949,

How can the answer be obvious when the question is not?

How many calculations might be involved in the design of a steam turbine?

Which calculation do you assume the OP wants?

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07/20/2015 12:30 AM

pdef1949 has been around long enough to see the students who come here demanding answers to their homework or the people who knows how to use a search engine well enough to find CR4 but to lazy to finish doing their own research using the internet and then there's APs ....... We both know the list goes on. But at least we do have English instructors on board thats more than willing to point out wrong spelling or poor grammar.

It's hard not to be cynical at times.

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07/20/2015 12:15 AM

I like to think of it this way, imagine we are all in a big conference hall and the poster walks up to us and states his question, verbally (and in this case in a very loud voice). I try and respond how I would if this were a face to face discussion.

For anonymous posters I pretend they are asking the question while hiding under table.

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07/20/2015 1:48 AM

So the answer for OP is:

My dear, it is very good to show interest in those things. I have been learning this in my university days and we used engineering hand books for reference a lot. I still, from time to time, look into those. If you are interested I can give you some relevant book titles for you to continue with your studies. All the best.

Now I am short of engineering handbooks for this particular case but as we always are pointing out a simple internet research will come up with enough relevant books to be read in 3-4 years.

If the person asks from under the table there is no guarantee that a gratitude of flatulence will not sort out the problem.

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07/20/2015 12:28 PM

When someone posts:

I WANT TO KNOW STEAM TURBINE CALCULATION

With this being the only thing they post, they are going destined to get a "SNARKY" answer because they can simply do a GOOGLE search with the text they posted.

This is a LAZY and UNMOTIVATED poster and they need to learn to help themselves otherwise they will be a burden on every one of their co-workers and employers.

LAZY......LAZY......LAZY......!

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07/20/2015 12:48 PM

I seem to be in the minority here. Still, I would have expected more civility from educated, mature, accomplished professionals.

I never said the poster was right and I chastised him as much as any of you. But I did it with some tact and restraint, like every licensed PE who is bound by and respects the code of ethics. Or like a civilized adult who behaves in a professional manner.

All right then, feel free to snark away.

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07/20/2015 11:42 PM

And who are you to say something? You are first of all "anonym"! Is that you PDF? Why post anonym all of a sudden?

If you have a good book to suggest why not do so? Currently all I see is that you think you are better and have more tact. Not sure how you derive this as it would be to others to judge and judging from your post I don't see this. Being a licensed PE (whatever that might be) you have not contributed anything here to help OP.

I guess you can snark at yourself first and come back if you have useful information.

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07/21/2015 12:17 AM

All right you asked.....

1. Why AP? Because I believed I was already signed in and posting as myself. My error and I apologize.

2. You apparently did NOT read my previous posts because one of the first things I suggested to the OP was to learn to use google for searching. I offered help but did not solve his problem for him.

3. My original post was a simple request to be a little more understanding of people who are inexperienced and may not know good practice. They may in fact be lazy but that does not mean any of us need to be rude in reply.

4. You seem to think I feel superior to the rest of you....I never said any such thing. What I got in my request for civility was anything but that. I am sorry to say that only proves the point that we who should know better don't act like that. Shame in us for acting superior to a poster who may or may not deserve such treatment.

5. You don't even know what a licensed PE is? Perhaps you may have heard about a Professional Engineer who holds that license in one or more states.

6. Since you apparently do not read, are indignant at being asked to behave like an adult and are rather snarly yourself, perhaps you can figure out this snarky bit: GFY

Signing out of this pointless discussion.

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07/21/2015 12:42 AM

Better sign out completely. GFY is rather obvious!

All you are asking of others is what you are offering?

You are not worth being called a Professional Engineer with that attitude of yours. Regardless how many sates that'd be in.

Pointless if all you are offering is verbal abuse.

Indeed Good Bye!

(still chuckling about the inability to figure out how to post under his name. I fear for his abilities as professional engineer.)

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07/21/2015 1:19 AM

The OP did not pose this post as a question but as a shouting demand, "I WANT TO KNOW STEAM TURBINE CALCULATION" They seem to think it's some kind of drink in a can that you pop the top and pour the knowledge into them, when they demand it. The OP did not state how much they know about steam turbines or how much research they did before coming to CR4.

I spent many hours in a text book and suffered writer's cramp while taking notes on gas turbines. So, why should I or anybody put forth any effort to a person that does not have the courtesy to politely ask if someone could help them understand the principles of a steam turbine?

SHOUTING AND DEMANDING gets you where? Other than pi$$ing people off.

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07/21/2015 12:30 AM

Now, now, lets not get too carried away here. This just all feels like one to many poorly worded, homework or dodgy thread questions in a row and this was the last straw that broke the camel's back.

Like me, we are all guilty to some degree of falling into this trap and blowing off steam at some point in time.

Lets just move on shall we, and try and be a bit more polite in our responses on CR4 in general (PDEF1949 has raised a valid point after all).

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07/21/2015 12:52 AM

While being snarky when saying to put all snarkiness to the side? I dont think so!

His last word is rather on the bottom of the scale. Pretty unprofessional for a claimed PE.

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