Previous in Forum: Package Unit Condensing Fan   Next in Forum: Another Whatizit
Close
Close
Close
19 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Commentator

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 66

24 Hours Hydrostatic Test

08/07/2015 6:09 AM

In our country, many consultants like to have a 24 hours hydrostatic test on piping installation such as plumbing, fire protection and even chilled water. I have tried to ask around the consultants, but this seem like a common practice for them. They even cant tell me why shall be 24 hours, but not 2 hours as in most international standard. Have you met this situation ? If pressure at 150% operating pressure shall be used for a 2 hours test, what would be the test pressure for 24 hours test. Pls share your experience with me. Thank you.

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Guru
Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2008
Location: CHENNAI, TAMIL NADU, INDIA.
Posts: 1851
Good Answers: 65
#1

Re: 24 hours hydrostatic test

08/07/2015 7:08 AM

Dear Mr. cckla,

For a given Working Pressure, the Design Pressure and Hydraulic Testing Pressure is derived based on the material. As long as the Hoop Stress for the system is NOT crossed and maintained below the Hoop Stress technically you can keep the Test Pressure for 24 Hours.

But it is not required to keep the Hydraulic Test Pressure for 24 Hours. It is sufficient you keep the Pressure for Half-an Hour for incompressible fluids and for 1 hour for compressible fluids. Measure the drop in pressure in relation to time and if the drop in pressure is 0.25% or less than 0.25%, the system is OK.

Further the duty condition of fluid flow - whether it is hot fluid or cold fluid the temperature plays a role in material strength. Depending on the temp. to maintain the maximum permissible limit of hoop stress, the Working/Testing Pressure will vary.

DHAYANANDHAN.S

Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 66
#4
In reply to #1

Re: 24 hours hydrostatic test

08/07/2015 9:40 AM

Drop in pressure to time mean 0.25%/(how many minutes or hour) ? Is this guideline suitable for test in any duration ?

Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: May 2008
Location: CHENNAI, TAMIL NADU, INDIA.
Posts: 1851
Good Answers: 65
#7
In reply to #4

Re: 24 hours hydrostatic test

08/07/2015 10:21 AM

Dear Mr.cckla,

Pl. read 2nd Para (in my Reply, posting No.1, next to your posting) and a sentence reads as "for Half-an Hour for incompressible fluids and for 1 hour for compressible fluids."

So the pressure drop to be observed for incompressible fluid is 30 minutes and for compressible fluid it will be 60 Minutes.

Let us see what further comments are receieved.

DHAYANANDHAN.S

Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
2
Guru

Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Port Macquarie N.S.W. Australia
Posts: 1071
Good Answers: 225
#2

Re: 24 hours hydrostatic test

08/07/2015 7:31 AM

My experience with pipeline testing has been that after the system is liquid filled and all air is purged from the system, then the pressure is raised to 25 psig and held for 10 minutes. Any major leaks are then remedied and the test redone until it passes. The pressure is then raised in 25 psig increments and held for minimum 5 minutes while visual and pressure holding inspections are performed. Repairs are performed as necessary and the testing recommenced. Adequate time allowances are also required for temperature equalization to occur

The minimum test pressure is normally 1.5x design pressure or 100 psig, whichever is the greater.

The pressure is then held for 2 hours, then reduced and the test is completed.

If the vessel will be used for hazardous materials, then vapour pressure at certain temperatures is also used to modify the test pressures

Although ASME requirements are for a 2 hour hold period, there has often been debate about when that period actually starts and usually applies only to Hydrostatic testing.

The only time that I have seen the 24 hour requirement is when the testing is Pneumatic where, after progressing through much the same stages as above but with the pressure never exceeding the lower of design limits or 100 psig, the test pressure is then held for 24 hours before the test is deemed complete. This may be a local requirement only but it has a good following in Australia and parts of Europe.

Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 2)
Commentator

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 66
#6
In reply to #2

Re: 24 hours hydrostatic test

08/07/2015 10:02 AM

I ever heard pneumatic test with 110% of design pressure. But in short duration

Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#19
In reply to #6

Re: 24 hours hydrostatic test

04/23/2024 7:15 AM

Well, there is the story about an underground pipeline, perhaps 48in diameter and a couple of miles long, that was subjected to a <...pneumatic test...>.

The end of the test came when the coupler at the end of the pipe blew off, demolished a scaffold, sent scaffold poles flying in all directions including upwards, whereupon one of the poles dropped through the roof of a building and impaled and killed someone who was asleep.

That is why hydraulic and hydrostatic testing is the right way to do it. All that happens is that innocent bystanders get wet.

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - CNC - New Member

Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Lost Wages Nevada
Posts: 1578
Good Answers: 55
#3

Re: 24 hours hydrostatic test

08/07/2015 9:16 AM

I think you may be confusing the 24 hour static test with a timed pressurized test. When we installed waste drain piping in residential homes we would cap off the drain end and then fill the piping and vent stacks with water to see if there were any leaks. We did not apply any extra pressure, only static head pressure!

This is done on the waste drain which is usually made from ABS plastic.

You don't want to pressurize ABS. It has a tendency to explode!

__________________
Though it does seem he frequently has a Swiss Army knife or Leatherman and a roll of duct tape with him.
Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 66
#5
In reply to #3

Re: 24 hours hydrostatic test

08/07/2015 9:42 AM

This definitely not waste drain piping. This happen in cold water, fire protection and chilled water

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - DIY Welding - Wannabeabettawelda

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Annapolis, Maryland
Posts: 7940
Good Answers: 458
#8

Re: 24 Hours Hydrostatic Test

08/07/2015 1:36 PM

Maybe in your country it is 24 hrs so they can just come back tomorrow? (Somewhat in jest, but you never know)

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
2
Guru

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Eastern Arizona mountains on Route 666 about a mile from God's country
Posts: 1676
Good Answers: 122
#9

Re: 24 Hours Hydrostatic Test

08/07/2015 1:39 PM

It is my understanding that the reasoning for 24 hour hydrostatic testing of some systems is to allow the entire system to be exposed to a complete day-night temperature cycle.

This theoretically allows enough time to reveal any weak spots that could fail from thermal expansion and/or shrinkage.

Depending on type of materials, connection methods, length of exposed lines, and temperature change extremes, the growth rate will vary significantly hence the structural impact will differ enough to reveal any potential leaks from loose fittings and/or substandard welds or glued joints.

__________________
They said; "Brain size?" I heard; "Train size?" so I said: "I'll take a small one, thank you."
Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 2)
Guru

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Mineral wells Tx
Posts: 630
Good Answers: 34
#10

Re: 24 Hours Hydrostatic Test

08/07/2015 4:03 PM

24 hours with pressure is a normal practice for underground (burried) piping systems instalation inside the batery limit of the plant. You have to record the pressure and also the temperature. As I said is normal and according to many project spec. and is an API/ ASME recommendation .

Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 66
#11
In reply to #10

Re: 24 Hours Hydrostatic Test

08/07/2015 8:43 PM

Normally, 24 hours hydrostatic test conducted during time of installation before it is buried and expose to weather. What would be the guideline of acceptance when pressure rise under hot sun and drop at night time ? What is the test pressure ? Is it still at 150% of design pressure ?

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Mineral wells Tx
Posts: 630
Good Answers: 34
#13
In reply to #11

Re: 24 Hours Hydrostatic Test

08/08/2015 1:34 AM

Not before, after buried:

1.- coated pipe

2.- weld pipes (Or thread)

3.- Coat welds after NDT

4.- Holliday Detector

5.- Buried (Soil compactation i.e Kholer machine)

5- 24 hours Hydro test (ie Barton pressure Temperature)

Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 66
#14
In reply to #13

Re: 24 Hours Hydrostatic Test

08/08/2015 3:34 AM

What if leaking found after buried ? The rectification work would not be difficult ?

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Mineral wells Tx
Posts: 630
Good Answers: 34
#15
In reply to #14

Re: 24 Hours Hydrostatic Test

08/08/2015 3:55 AM

Yes cckla, is very difficult

But you do not want your fire system fails when you need it.

To detect a possible leakage point patience is required. (A lot)

Therefore, you should make a thorough inspection before burying the pipe.

But the hydrostatic test should be done with the full system ready before operation.

Believe me

Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 60
Good Answers: 3
#16
In reply to #15

Re: 24 Hours Hydrostatic Test

08/09/2015 1:18 PM

A "casual" 2-hour test before burying might address some of cckla's concerns about post-burial rectification difficulties.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Mineral wells Tx
Posts: 630
Good Answers: 34
#17
In reply to #16

Re: 24 Hours Hydrostatic Test

08/09/2015 1:28 PM

Thanks 88y

Yes, should be a good practice. But is not usual. Cost & time are mandatory

Wp

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: srilanka
Posts: 2725
Good Answers: 5
#12

Re: 24 Hours Hydrostatic Test

08/08/2015 1:08 AM

24hr test won't be practical as temperature can vary widely.

__________________
pnaban
Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 406
Good Answers: 3
#18

Re: 24 Hours Hydrostatic Test

08/12/2015 10:08 PM

Because, that is what was done in world war II

Register to Reply Score 1 for Off Topic
Register to Reply 19 comments

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

8o88y (1); Brave Sir Robin (1); cckla (5); dhayanandhan (2); Munster (1); Original_Macgyver (1); pnaban (1); PWSlack (1); SHOCKHISCAN (1); spades (1); Whitephone (4)

Previous in Forum: Package Unit Condensing Fan   Next in Forum: Another Whatizit

Advertisement