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Using Photocell with a Dimmer or Potentiometer

08/07/2015 10:02 AM

I have a string of 6, 5 watt LED exterior can lights in my soffit. They are controlled by a photocell. They are too bright at full power and I need to dim them. Any suggestions?

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08/07/2015 12:07 PM
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08/07/2015 12:25 PM

First, you need to tell us what model # product you bought, and the power supply/controller #. Some LED driver/power supplies are not designed for dimming, rather they are replacements for existing lights. If you google LED with dimmer, you may find a better product.

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Re: Using Photocell with a Dimmer or Potentiometer.

08/07/2015 1:04 PM

If the LED fixtures are rated for use with a dimmer you need only to contact the manufacturer or search their website to find out what type of dimmer is compatible.

If the LED's are not dimmable then you will have to either replace the lamps with a lower "K" factor or you can change the wavelength (color) by manipulating the control circuit capacitance value which will soften the light.

Keep in mind that the color spectrum of LED's follow the pattern of higher "K" values yield whiter light and lower "K" values yield a more yellow light.

A 4000K LED appears much brighter and whiter than a 2700K LED which appears dimmer because the light wave color is more yellow.

LED lamps also come in variable Lumen ratings.

Example: Despite identical marketing advertisement printed on the box which states "direct replacement for a 60 Watt incandescent bulb " one lamp will actually output 8.5 Lumens and another 60 Watt replacement lamp will output 13 Lumens.

This means the 8.5 lamp will only output light at 65% of brilliance when compared to a 13 rated lamp.

Hope this helps you solve the issue.

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08/07/2015 2:32 PM

Replace the bulbs with something smaller.

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08/07/2015 3:29 PM

Spray-paint them. or get 6 polarizing filters.

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08/07/2015 4:49 PM

My problem is I can't use the dimmer switch before the photocell because the photocell won't work with reduced wattage. I then tried to put the dimmer inline between the photocell and the string of lights and the dimmer wouldn't work. They are dimmable LEDs. The issue is getting the photocell and dimmer to work together. They are 9.5 watts not 5 watts. I wanted LED for energy consumption and I couldnt find any LEDs that were dimmer in any stores.

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08/07/2015 7:55 PM

You need an LED compatible dimmer....I posted a link to some...If this is a 110v circuit...?

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08/07/2015 9:12 PM

If you're using a standard triac phase chopper or legacy dimmer, it is unlikely to work for your LEDs unless you couple it with something like the Texas instruments triac dimmable LED driver.

PWM type dimmers do not radically alter the colour temperatures with changes in brightness due to the fact that the current flow is either on or off rather than at a reduced level, and it is this forward current that determines the LEDs colour temp.

The switching frequency of the PWM dimmer (usually 200Hz or higher) then controls the average forward current through the LED and hence its brightness. A legacy dimmer does not alter the switching frequency but rather the on/off time relationship of a set, rather slow (50 -60 Hz), mains AC sine wave.

First step is to ascertain whether your LEDs are indeed dimmable, this information should appear on the lamp carton and often is also on the lamp base.

Next step is to obtain a C-L rated dimmer that is made specifically to dim LEDs. Lutron is probably the best of these and they normally have adjustable low end trimming capability as well.

The dimmer will need to be between the PE cell and the lamps.

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08/08/2015 7:26 AM

GA spades! The OP still needs to post Model info if he wants us to help. We are stabbing in the dark without that. A block diagram would be helpful also.

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08/07/2015 10:30 PM

Try shopping at Amazon for replacement lamps that have a lower lumens output. You just have to match the type of base to the one your existing LED lamps have. For example, here's a photo of a cool white 4 W lamp with an output of only 380 lumens:

amazon_led+lights+standard+base

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08/08/2015 9:40 AM

A lot of good advice here. SolarEagle nailed it. You need to obtain a LED-compatible dimmer switch. I found this out when I installed LED flood lampsin the kitchen and living room several years ago.

I highly recommend that you visit the top-rated manufacturer's website and do some solid research on the dimmer switches that are available. I bought specific LUTRON dimmer switches for my LEDs.

Ohhh, make sure that you buy a dimmer switch that can handle the maximum wattage of the lamps!

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Re: Using Photocell with a Dimmer or Potentiometer

08/09/2015 4:09 PM

Introduce very high resistance or a means of controlling or reducing the input voltage supply to the LED.

You will be able to reduce the brightness.

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