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Software for More Accurate Flow Metering

08/17/2015 2:15 PM

Dear all,
I've spent some time googling with Flow calculators, "flow metering systems", "tank inventory systems" etc but I haven't found what I wanted.
Are there any existing commercial products that would allow using the system model for improved flow meter and tank level readings?
In other words, I would like to find a software where I could build a model of my system of flow meters and tank level gauges and get more accurate readings as a result.
-The tank level readings would provide natural way to remove long time errors in flow meters.
-Also, a more accurate "main" flow meter could be used to get more accurate results from the two branches.
-Finally as a special case, I might want to add an extra clamp-on meter to the system, in series with an existing meter.
I hope that this might further reduce errors, since the mechanisms of operation are different (and possibly the pipe size) and thus the second meter might produce better results in certain conditions.
I suppose that the software should implement Kalman filtering or some similar processing internally.

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Re: Software for More Accurate Flow Metering

08/17/2015 4:06 PM
  • Name of fluid?
  • Temperature range?
  • Pressure range
  • Flowrates?
  • Volumes?
  • Perceived need for accuracy?
  • Style of tank?
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Re: Software for More Accurate Flow Metering

08/17/2015 5:20 PM

One word........ SCADA!

Sorry... Five words.

System

Control

And

Data

Acquisition

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Re: Software for More Accurate Flow Metering

08/17/2015 9:25 PM

Your perception of what software can do is somehow wrong. It will never increase the accuracy of your measuring devices. It just could give you another idea of what is really going on in your system.

I would start working with the flow meter manufacturers. Tell them what system you have (which we do not know nothing of) because it will make a whole lot of a difference depending on what you are flowing through your pipes and what is in the tanks.

From the flow meter assessment you can judge if your requirements can be met for accuracy and process safety. Then go to step two and look for a process steering system. There is plenty out there.

What are you flowing through your pipes will be an important information to put in a question like this. I can explain the reason later.

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08/17/2015 10:36 PM

Agreed.

Sampling rate may be adjustable with the present system but that's about it.

Time to talk to the supplier.

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Re: Software for More Accurate Flow Metering

08/18/2015 8:20 AM

Thanks for nice feedback. I was playing around with some ideas for my previous field of work. It is more of an academic question than an acute work case, but perhaps there are already existing solutions.

I was thinking of energy efficiency, not control applications. Like IdeaSmith said it, I would just like to see what is going on in the system.

Yes, I forgot to mention that I would like to measure fuel (Marine diesel oil, HFO, or something else). I have some experience with measuring these on ships. The problem with mechanical rotating fuel flow meters is that they easily get stuck or otherwise broken. Coriolis meters are probably a good solution for some solutions but often they have problems with the vibrations that you just can not completely escape while onboard. Sometimes you can not get accurate enough coriolis meter, since the pipe diameter is fixed, and the bigger piped meters are for larger flow rates.

Besides broken meters, the biggest problem seems to be that often there are no meters at all for each pipe that is relevant for consumption. And installation of multiple new meters might be of much bigger hassle compared to a new software. One exception might be clamp-on ultrasonic meters, but I'm not sure how well they perform with the conditions near the engine (the viscosity and temperatures [70-160C] vary. There might be some gases in the pipe).

Since the cost of the clamp-on installation might be one tenth of a coriolismeter, it might be worth it, even if multiple meters are needed to do the job. I'm not sure, but I could imagine that even the second ultra-sonic meter in series might reduce total errors with some proper filtering. The second location could have different pipe size, different turbulance situation, less gas bubbles, or less wall build-up in some system state.

I wonder if similar problems have easy solution in some other field of engineering, since I haven't quite found it on my own searches.

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08/18/2015 1:31 PM

...which leaves most of #2 unanswered, and the forum still guessing. Not that pressing, then?

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Re: Software for More Accurate Flow Metering

08/18/2015 8:59 AM

There are several clamp-on flow meters on the market that would work with some degree of accuracy if installed correctly with the appropriate upstream and downstream pipe diameter spacing.

I have found only one clamp-on meter so far that can be installed within 2 pipe diameters of any flow disturbance device and still maintain accuracy.

I suggest you look closely at FLEXIM offerings for clamp-on meters with a high degree of accuracy.

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Re: Software for More Accurate Flow Metering

08/18/2015 11:27 AM

Though your wit seems logical and practical. Please reflect, if does it comply quality process standards.

Say for example:

You can not calibrate a device if your basis is a less accurate method or basis in any means.

If this violate your plan, then sad to say, it's not acceptable.

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