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Automatic Shut Down LOX Bulk Storage Tank

08/18/2015 12:08 PM

We are at an old steel plate rolling mill(late 60s). We have a bulk LOX tank that originally had an automatic shutdown of the O flow in case of a rapid leak downstream of the evaporator. In the past someone disabled the unit and by passed the lines.

I was asked by an outside safety company to either remove the unit or re-institute the operation of automatic shut down. I cannot find any codes that states that the unit is necessary or any control company that would make that type unit.

I am open to suggestions.

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Re: Automatic shut down LOX bulk storage tank

08/18/2015 1:21 PM

Use the as-built drawings to reinstate it.

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08/18/2015 1:39 PM

Problem is the control unit has no drawings. The Mfg has gone out ot business and we have no drawings in archives.

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08/18/2015 1:59 PM

NASA has a policy of sharing information now and a long history of use of LOX.

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08/18/2015 2:22 PM

Then hire a consultant to redesign things. That way, away goes the risk.

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08/18/2015 2:06 PM

An excess-flow shutoff valve (larger version of gauge glass valve) might be able to do this. How elaborate was the original system--flow meter and solenoid valve, say, or even more?

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08/18/2015 3:23 PM

Thanks,that was what i was looking for.

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08/18/2015 3:26 PM

Your welcome!

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08/18/2015 3:27 PM

How about giving him another GA?

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08/19/2015 5:19 PM

I had to give you a good answer because I am not at all bothered by the number of good answers you have at present.....

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08/19/2015 6:39 PM

What bothers me is that when a responder gives a GA, and the OP even thanks him/her, the OP fails to give a GA vote. What ingratitude.

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08/20/2015 7:34 AM

Its not ingratitude, its forgetfulness.

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08/18/2015 4:09 PM

Excess flow "slam" check. (Beat to the punch)

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08/18/2015 4:20 PM

Good description.

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08/18/2015 11:54 PM

Contact your LOX supplier. They are extremely familiar with the systems for the storage and supply of LOX. In many cases they provide the tanks and maintenance to their customers. They should be the experts for you. If they don't have the personnel for your problem they can definitely put you in contact with the right personnel/supplier/engineers.

If your supplier can not help you or contracts out that type of work, contact a supplier of LOX such as PRAXAIR or AIR PRODUCTS. http://www.praxair.com/gases/buy-liquid-oxygen-or-compressed-oxygen-gas/?tab=supply-options

http://www.airproducts.com/products/Gases/supply-options/bulk-deliveries-and-storage-systems/typical-bulk-liquid-storage-systems.aspx

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Typical Bulk Liquid Storage Systems

Liquefied oxygen, nitrogen, argon, and carbon dioxide are stored on your site at very low temperature. When gas is required, the liquid is vaporized for supply to your process. For cryogenic applications such as food freezing that require a low-temperature liquid supply, the liquid is delivered from the storage tank to your process by an insulated line.

A typical installation normally consists of a tank, a vaporizer, and controls. Systems are selected based on your volume, desired pressure, purity level, flow rate, and operating pattern.

A typical liquid storage system used for argon, nitrogen, and oxygen.

Tanks
The storage vessels generally used for liquefied argon, nitrogen, and oxygen are 500-, 1,500-, 3,000-, 6,000-, 9,000-, and 11,000-gallon tanks. Liquid hydrogen storage vessels are nominally 1,500-, 4,500-, 9,000-, and 20,000-gallon tanks.

Cutaway of a typical tank.

Ambient Air Vaporizer
While steam and electric vaporizers are occasionally used, the most widely employed vaporizers obtain heat from the surrounding air. These "ambient air" vaporizers are provided in arrays of many-finned tubes to provide vaporization rates up to 40,000 scfh per array. Additional units are added to provide higher vaporization rates.

Control Manifold
Control manifolds are designed to control the pressure to your houseline and to protect that line from excessively cold gas or possible liquid carryover. The manifold consists of a temperature control valve and a pressure control valve. Also included are necessary block-and-bypass valves, as well as a pressure indicator and check valve. There are two basic units-one for rates up to approximately 23,000 scfh and another for rates up to approximately 43,000 scfh.

A typical control manifold.

*Note that the liquid storage system used in your region may be different; please check with your local office.

Years ago we had both a LOX storage tank and a liquid Nitrogen storage tanks. We only did minor repairs to them and called in the supplier to provide other than simple work on them. Cryogenics such as oxygen and nitrogen are not something to be less than perfect with. Nitrogen is an asphyxiant and Oxygen will make things burn at a very rapid rate, almost explosively.

Good Luck, Old Salt

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08/19/2015 6:49 AM

Yea, i meet with them yesterday, its their vessel. Everything from the evaporator on belongs to us, which includes the shut down system. My complaint to them was i could not make out the pressure vessel number on the plaque. Evidently the only company that can issue a new plaque is the Mfg. and they went out of business.

Different day, different problem.

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08/19/2015 8:10 PM

Google "Forensic Metallurgical Laboratory".

https://www.google.com/search?q=forensic+metalurgical+lab&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=Forensic+Metallurgical+Laboratory

Ask several of them if they can help you "lift" the pressure vessel number from the plaque. Ask them how, cost, etc. and all the rest. It is possible to do it although I don't remember the specifics about what to use for the various metals involved.

When I was a relatively young kid engineer I sat on a jury about a machine failure causing several injuries to operating personnel in a large machine shop. It was a civil case and the defendants lawyer wanted similar information for an old machine. He bought brought in a Forensic Metallurgist who took some magic potions and explained how this is sometimes possible. Don't remember how he did it but it is worth the inquiries to the labs.

Good Luck, Old Salt

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