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Who Was The Sculptor For This Statue?

08/22/2015 7:34 PM

Before you guys were better in 2 hours than "ordinary" people in several months! Can you help me with the name of the sculptor of the statue below? It was probably done earlier than 1878, but I have no idea of the source or the sculptor. Almost for sure a copy; perhaps of a Greek original, perhaps, maybe by Myron. The inscriptions are from its time at Dueber-Hampden in Canton, OH.

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08/22/2015 9:20 PM

Fredski: That shows the statue as modified when it was moved to Lehman High School circa 1923--sword broken off and shield removed. It also wonders about the reasons for the moves. but it doesn't provide the name of the sculptor of the original work.

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08/22/2015 10:50 PM

Wasn't it "kidnapped" several times from the Lehman High School by the Lions of Minerva High School during the early '30's? It was part of the football rivalry where the looser of the game had to defend it from kidnapping and the winners were expected to take it and make some sort of minor change to it (sword gone, shield removed, etc.). Sort of like the Canton McKinley Bull Dogs vs. Massillon Tigers rivalry.

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08/26/2015 9:58 AM

Old Salt: Slow replying because of several "I don't knows." I don't remember hearing the kidnapped story, but haven't checked with Minerva or anyplace else yet--friends from there weren't in Church Sunday. Either statue would be a bit heavy to be part of a kidnapping prank; they were bigger than life size and probably stone. Also they were mounted on pedestals well above ground level, and the urns above them would interfere with lifting equipment. Also want to check football records in that era; may have to hit the Stark County library unless a Facebook alumni page person remembers.

Now off topic: Had you heard that Timken was "adsorbed" by McKinley starting this year? By decree by the BoE, even the elementary schools will now be Bulldogs. Even Fawcett Stadium was renamed because someone from AL had a bunch of money to donate to a rebuilding for the Football Hall of Fame--by name of Tom Benson.

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08/22/2015 10:30 PM

..."18 ft high statue of Achilles by the sculptor Richard Westmacott, produced from melted-down captured enemy cannon. Based on the poses of the Borghese Gladiator and more particularly the Quirinal Horse Tamers, it shows the Greek mythological hero as a muscular, nude young man, raising his shield with his left hand and his short sword in his right hand, with his armour standing by his right thigh and his cloak draped over his left shoulder. "
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This looks like a copy of the statue noted above as Achilles originally done by sculptor Richard Westmacott in 1822....these copies are sold from different locations probably in Italy originally....You can commission statues for a few thousand $$ life size from locations in Italy that sell all and any statue you want....they are unsigned as they are copies....

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08/22/2015 11:11 PM

Too many differences in proportion and detail, but one could wonder if this same sculptor produced the OP's specimen. I wondered about Rodin and Saint Gaudens, but couldn't find any matching images. This guy carries the weaponry of a hoplite, in which capacity Socrates served.

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08/22/2015 11:12 PM

....or it could be a copy of this gladiator at Castle Howard in Yorkshire....

....or possibly a combination of the two....or possibly this Borghese gladiator in the Louvre...

"The sculpture is signed on the pedestal by Agasias, son of Dositheus, who is otherwise unknown. It is not quite clear whether the Agasias who is mentioned as the father of Heraclides is the same person. Agasias, son of Menophilus may have been a cousin.[2]"

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08/22/2015 11:35 PM

This looks like a copy with the sword and shield added.....

Here's a copy under construction of this figure the Borghese gladiator by Abigail McLellan.....

http://www.abigailmclellan.com/work/

This does seem to match the original...

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08/23/2015 1:19 PM

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A work inspired by a bronze by Lysippos

The piece, signed on the tree trunk by Agasias of Ephesus, son of Dositheus, has been the subject of controversy as to its place in Greek art. It was created circa 100 BC. Nevertheless, the figure's elongated silhouette, the reduced proportions of the head and the vigorously-modeled muscles are reminiscent of the work of Lysippos of Sicyon, the great bronze sculptor of the fourth century BC. The Borghese Gladiator could thus be a Hellenistic copy - fashioned for a Roman client - of a bronze made by Lysippos or one of his followers in the late classical period. The presence of the tree seems to confirm this hypothesis - it probably shows the need to strengthen a work that was originally in bronze, thus requiring no support - that was then transposed into marble, a much heavier material, and more easily broken.

The mark of Hellenistic experimentation

More than a straightforward, faithful reproduction of a Greek original, this statue should be seen as Agasias's liberal interpretation of the classical model, to which he has added innovations from his own era. The statue clearly falls within the scope of the aesthetic experiments of the late Hellenistic period, particularly the influence of the baroque scultpural creations of Pergamon. The boldness of the composition, which anchors the warrior in a three-dimensional space and invites the spectator to view it from all sides, is a constant in Hellenistic art. The exaggerated rendering of the musculature and the violence of the figure's movement - organized along a broad diagonal - recalls the friezes of the Pergamon Altar, erected in the early second century BC, which depicts the battle between the Gods and the Giants. The pathos in the treatment of the face accentuates the intensity of the warrior's efforts."

http://www.louvre.fr/en/oeuvre-notices/fighting-warrior

"It was found before 1611, in the present territory of Anzio south of Rome, among the ruins of a seaside palace ofNero on the site of the ancient Antium (modern Anzio and Nettuno[3]). From the attitude of the figure it is clear that the statue represents not a gladiator, but a warrior contending with a mounted combatant. In the days when antique sculptures gained immediacy by being identified with specific figures from history or literature,[4] Friedrich Thiersch conjectured that it was intended to represent Achilles fighting with the mounted Amazon, Penthesilea.[5]

The sculpture was added to the Borghese collection in Rome. At the Villa Borghese it stood in a ground-floor room named for it, redecorated in the early 1780s by Antonio Asprucci. Camillo Borghese was pressured to sell it to his brother-in-law, Napoleon Bonaparte, in 1807; it was taken to Paris when the Borghese collection was acquired for the Louvre,[6] where it now resides.

Misnamed a gladiator due to an erroneous restoration, it was among the most admired and copied works of antiquity in the eighteenth century, providing sculptors a canon of proportions. A bronze cast was made for Charles I of England(now at Windsor), and another by Hubert Le Sueur was the centrepiece of Isaac de Caus' parterre at Wilton House;[7]that version was given by the 8th Earl of Pembroke to Sir Robert Walpole and remains the focal figure in William Kent's Hall at Houghton Hall, Norfolk. Other copies can be found at Petworth House and in the Green Court at Knole. Originally a copy was also located in Lord Burlington's garden at Chiswick House and later relocated to the gardens at Chatsworth in Derbyshire. In the United States, a copy of "The Gladiator at Montalto"[8] was among the furnishings of an ideal gallery of instructive art imagined by Thomas Jefferson for Monticello.[9]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borghese_Gladiator

https://www.ancientsculpturegallery.com/borghese-gladiator-torso-statue.html

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08/23/2015 1:37 PM

Thanks SE for all that information.

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08/24/2015 6:11 AM

I can't determine if Abigail McClellan made the statue or just adorned an existing statue with canvas and nails. If it is the latter it would seem that these statues are common place. I can't read the plaque on the plinth of Abigails' art. It might answer some of the questions if it can be seen.

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08/22/2015 10:31 PM

Possibly the work of Ohio sculptor John Quincy Adams Ward, but provenance is way outside my comfort zone. Probably not a copy but an original piece commissioned specifically for the Dueber-Hampden Watch Company in Canton, OH.

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08/22/2015 11:25 PM

This is a sketch, not a sculpture. It may be that this is an artist's rendition of a sculpture, but said rendition may be real or imaginary.

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08/23/2015 4:48 AM

Was going to say the same!

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08/23/2015 10:47 AM

Not sure why Fred's good answer was voted OT. It's by far the best answer given yet.

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08/23/2015 2:09 PM

Here's a bit more info, which I didn't include before in hopes of getting a better identification--which I did thanks to Solar Eagle. Lehman High School (I did a history on it, which is why I am glad to get the info) had 2 statues, one at each end of the football field. I think they first were at Dueber's watch case factory in Newport, KY, in 1878 (hope I've got that right.) Dueber combined with Hampden and built a new factory in Canton, OH; the statues were moved there. There is a photo above which is part of the Dueber-Hampden factory; the statue in question is very small and fuzzy on the front of the building above all the workers. Both statues were moved to Lehman HS in 1923 when LHS was being built. Both have disappeared, and we don't know where they are (or maybe destroyed.) The east statue, copied after the Discus Thrower by Myron, disappeared circa 1938 when Lehman became a high school. The west statue, this one, The Warrior, disappeared circa 1949.

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08/23/2015 3:10 PM

Don't know, but I sure would like having one of those frisbees!

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08/24/2015 8:15 AM

Thanks so much for the post. I signed in here, overly optimistic about solving the problem, but the others were too good for me! Well done to all concerned, esp SE.

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