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Need Help Between Two Circuiting Options for a Street Lighting Feeder Pillar

11/02/2015 1:21 AM

Hi, Need help! Can I know which circuit option is better for my street lighting feeder pillar project?

Street Lighting Requirement.

- Day & Night signal from control room. - Emergency power signal from backup generator. - 50% Normal & 50% Essential lighting.
Circuiting Options
1) Additional Busbar instead of many contactors in feeder pillar.
Main 3 phase, 400V busbar from an essential supply will supply power to a secondary busbar (E) with a Day&Night signaled contactor (NO). That secondary busbar will then brunch to a third busbar (N) via a contactor (NC) which opens during an emergency signal (normal loads cut off)
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2) Just 1 Normal and 1 Essential busbar but with multiple contactors for Day & Night switching.
Main 3 phase, 400V busbar from an essential supply with multiple outgoing feeders connected to multiple Day&Night signaled contactor (NO). Main busbar will then brunch to a secondary busbar (N) via a 40A contactor (NC) which opens during an emergency signal (normal loads cut off)
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Re: Need Help Between two Circuiting Options for a Street Lighting Feeder Pillar

11/02/2015 6:26 AM

There are advantages and disadvantages with both methods:-

Option 1 :-

Pros - 1. Less mechanicals to go wrong.

Cons - 1. Depending on lighting load, the contactors could be quite large and expensive although your mention of a 40 amp contactor suggests a fairly small setup. 2. A contactor failure could result in large areas with no lighting at all.

Option 2:-

Pros - 1. Smaller contactors will be cheaper each unit and thus cheaper to replace upon failure. 2. Multiple contactors reduce blackout area if a contactor fails.

Cons - 1. More mechanicals to fail. 2. More space needed for placement of contactors.

Another option to consider:-

Main feed to all lights. Separate controller at each light standard - something like the Philips Starsense or GE lightgrid controls. Utilise a Lonworks powerline protocol to tell each of those controllers whether they should be on or off during failure modes. Most of these protocols include repeater technology that enables long range communication. You could have luminaires with 2 lamps, one of which is isolated during failure thus providing more even lighting at those times.

Pros:- 1. less cabling - only one feeder for both essential and non-essential lighting. 2. Less space requirement for contactors and busbars. 3. No mechanicals to fail. 4. Easier servicing.

Cons:- 1. Possibly higher capital cost for controllers and signalers.

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11/04/2015 8:31 PM

Thanks for the feedback.. Your option is a great one, but the initial capital will be higher as compared to the conventional method. Seeing that this is a project in south east asia.. the client is not eager to hear high initial $$$. They tend not to think of operation and maintenance much :(

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11/02/2015 7:33 AM

thery hired the wrong clown. how did you get this job?

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11/02/2015 8:02 AM

How about neither.

There is already too much light pollution of the night sky.

If you don't have a choice about it, put the lights on a timer to shut off at midnight.

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11/04/2015 8:42 PM

This is actually street lighting for an Oil terminal. So there are operations going on 24/7. Cant let them go blind after midnight :S

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11/02/2015 9:26 AM

There is a third option:

Purchase lighting fixtures with individual day/night photocell control.

Divide the circuits up to meet the area lighting requirements. (Example: Every third fixture fed from the emergency lighting supply (standard) or for 50% availability it would be every other lighting fixture. )

Install a transfer switch at the emergency lighting distribution panel that allows normal system power to be applied to all lighting circuits until there is a loss of power at which point the transfer switch switches the designated emergency lighting circuits over to the backup generator once it has started and reached stable speed.

This option keeps the quantity of lighting loss from a component failure down to a minimum.

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11/02/2015 9:23 PM

Don't know who OT'd you but I tried to offset it, anyhow a GA from me

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11/03/2015 9:11 AM

Thanks!

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11/03/2015 10:33 AM

I've noticed we have a troll patrol out and about here lately. I gave SHOCKHISCAN and spades a GA to counter them, and because I thought both answers deserved a GA vote.

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11/03/2015 1:04 PM

Yup, I think the majority of us know who they are, there's two- it and it's sidekick

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11/03/2015 3:32 PM

While this is also OT, I've tried to give GA's to multiple posters and it seems that the earlier GA gets deleted.

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