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KSB CHTR3/10 Boire Feed Pump Locked Rotor

11/10/2015 12:24 AM

We are having 3 nos of KSB Made CHTR 3/10 Boiler Feed pump having 10 stages, head1510 meter, 112m3/hr flow. Recently one of the pumps was leaking from its mechanical seal from Flowserve of Plan 23. After replacing the Mechanical seal and all other assembly, alignment of the with the gearbox has been done and coupled to start the pump. As soon as the pump is filled with water(100 deg C at 2kg/cm2 pr.) the rotor got locked, however after flushing the pump from balance leak off and casing drain and rotating the shaft for around 5 hours the shaft found free to rotate, hence the pump has been started. As soon as the pump is started smoke from mechanical seal has been observed and pump got tripped on lock rotor. Upon dismantling Carbon Ring of the seal has been found in broken condition. However the carbon ring has been replaced and the seal has been assembled and fitted and again the pump has been filled with water. Again after filling the pump with water the rotor got locked. What are the probable reasons and the remedies for the same?

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Re: KSB CHTR3/10 Boire Feed Pump Locked Rotor

11/10/2015 12:40 AM

Poor alignment, poor seals, broken seals, poor maintenance staff.

Get good maintenance staff that can properly assess and remedy pump problems and tell you what is breaking the seals and locking the pump.

How did asking the forum to cure your High Vibration of Boiler Feed Pump work out for you? You never gave any feed back.

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11/10/2015 5:21 AM

thanks for your reply,

but as per suggested by that maintenance staff is poor is not the case, as mechanical seal was replaced in presence of vendor also no other part was open, so can you tell any other reason for the jamming of shaft.

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Re: KSB CHTR3/10 Boire Feed Pump Locked Rotor

11/10/2015 7:53 AM

I can't. The vendor can. What did (s)he say to you? After all, no-one here can see this pile of junk.

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11/10/2015 4:28 PM

I am appalled by your lack of any reasonable action in these two cases.

You said, "as mechanical seal was replaced in presence of vendor" and then you have the gall to ask anonymous forum on the other side of the world, "so can you tell any other reason for the jamming of shaft"?

Seriously????? You had the vendor ON SITE and you are asking strangers to tell you what the problem is?

You are a fool, and no lame excuse you can offer will change that!

I hope you and Legohead have a long relationship.

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11/10/2015 5:42 AM

Yes, night, night... to you.

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Re: KSB CHTR3/10 Boire Feed Pump Locked Rotor

11/10/2015 5:33 AM

You did not replace the motor? See if shafts were bent, because you would definitely repeat the same defects.

Why not conduct double check on the pump (especially the shaft) replace the motor with on stock inventory. Then check the motor integrity both mechanical and electrical after the removal from site.

I advice replace both with new replacement on standby, if you can not do intermittent operation and I assume there is available replacement in inventory.

I BELIEVE YOUR PUMP OR MOTOR SHAFT IS BENT.

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Re: KSB CHTR3/10 Boire Feed Pump Locked Rotor

11/10/2015 8:49 AM

Your previous post said you have consequent horizontal vibration.

Did you check feeding mechanism to the boiler.

Is the boiler regularly maintained?

When is the latest descaling of the boiler tubes?

Any abnormalities of the controls of water feeding, say the lag of the pump turning on or off and the opening and closing of the feed valve. Check might be some guys play the timing of control and let your pump running with out even opening the feed valve or it keeps running with close feed valve.

Who maintains your boiler? Prefer some experts on the field.

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11/10/2015 9:18 AM

Sounds to me like you managed to screw up the spacings of the rotating portions of the pump when it was rebuilt and... expansion due to the introduction of the 100 deg feed water is causing the rotating parts to lock up. The seal may not be the cause of the binding. Investigate the rotors.

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11/10/2015 3:09 PM

You may be driving the motor rotor out of magnetic center, which leads to all sorts of problems.

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Re: KSB CHTR3/10 Boire Feed Pump Locked Rotor

11/11/2015 2:06 AM

Have you 100% verified that you are turning the motor in the correct direction? This sounds like it is running (or trying to) run backwards.

This is assuming that it has been put back together correctly.

Just a thought!!

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11/11/2015 3:33 AM

I had a similar thought, but then op said the vendor was there....

...and now a seal is broken...again.

Smoke on the water and fire in the sky too.

Like, it's just a boiler feed pump, how hard could this be to sort?

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11/11/2015 9:25 AM

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