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Split Coupling Design

11/10/2015 2:10 AM

Hello,

Can you kindly guide me how to machine and design two piece rigid coupling to couple the following shaft diameters;

· Diameter of shaft 1 is 25 mm

· Diameter of shaft 2 is 42 mm

The speed is 3000 rpm and power of motor is 15 KW 2 poles.

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Re: Split coupling design

11/10/2015 5:04 AM

Why do you need a rigid coupling ? It can be a source of troubles.

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11/10/2015 5:09 AM

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Re: Split coupling design

11/10/2015 7:47 AM

Try TB Woods, here is one of their designs.

Check out their brochure;

http://www.altraliterature.com/pdfs/P-1690-TBW.pdf

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11/10/2015 8:02 AM

Best to have these shafts aligned by people who know what they're doing.

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11/11/2015 12:08 AM

Thanks

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11/10/2015 9:19 AM

It would be best if we had more information.

All we get is that someone is trying to machine a rigid coupler for 2 different sized shafts?

  • Why are you coupling these shafts?
  • Is one a motor shaft"?
  • What material are the shafts?
  • What is the rotational force?
  • What is the power coming into the shafting?

Please answer a few questions and try to think of any other information and post that too!

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11/10/2015 10:04 AM

UsmanS, don't get me wrong for making unpleasant assumptions. With due respect on the burning passion of engineering in this forum, I challenge you to put some charisma and wear the clothe of persistence while you can.

Some members were already (can't say "old"), some already died, others are getting to that end of the road, some are on their prime of life, but if given the chance to get those knees back up again and some muscles to wiggle, i bet I they'd be doing engineering still.

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11/10/2015 11:54 AM

An old roman dicton says : "si tacuises philosofus mansises".

It applies very well to your genial comments.

Making humor requires intelligence.

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11/10/2015 12:26 PM

Or this...

"Si tibi videtur quod philosophus es tu insulsa male et puer"

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11/10/2015 6:01 PM

or this "ad infinitum"

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11/10/2015 9:53 PM

I have come to the end of my admittedly low tolerance for you!

Your rude, inappropriate, asinine, repulsive comments have to stop.

I believe that you should be banned from the forum for your comments and actions and because you display no redeeming qualities!

Your comments in this thread display no humor, and in most other threads are truly disgusting and uncivilized.

Your sexually suggestive trash should have already gotten you banned.

I expect that you will now respond with some trite, smart-ass comment which is characteristic of your immature, arrogant personality.

I believe that many members feel the same way about you that I do, but may not be willing to state their disgust for you publicly.

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11/11/2015 2:07 AM

Is it fair bullying on people and when given back the same bull on them, they complain like a cry baby? It does not balance the equation, you know.

There, you go again with hypnosis. I don't hate you, you know and others too, it's not personal to me, because we exist in this world of cr4 virtually, outside we are completely different persons.

But, I am having good times here, you know and I appreciate good laugh.

Oh, I don't want to fight, I am a smiley guy. It's not being a smart ass, you know. I'm just an average guy.

I remember my Boss confronted me, why am I smiling on an operations issue and he's dead serious about it. I said "no matter what I do, whether I smile or on frown face, it does not change the fact."

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11/11/2015 6:31 AM

I do not know if YOU know that semper smiling is the way a brain disease manifests itself. At your place I would consider a medical help. Your boss was right to ask in fact himself why you do not react as "usual" people.

From an other point of view I have the feeling that you overestimate your "average" behavior.

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11/11/2015 7:52 AM

Do you ever study probability? Medical diagnosis are not absolute science or mathematics, you know. How can you be sure I have one? The fact is you don't and you are not a doctor either. So, you decide what insight it may bring you, i hope its good.

Smile keeps me calm and sane and it even keeps the job done right away and win clients.

Why smile? It's because I am handsome when I do so. (Now, don't react please, mother said I am)

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11/11/2015 10:46 AM

I agree that a diagnosis is strongly related to uncertainties.

But if a series of symptoms pinpoints a great probability for the presence of a disease it will be considered that the disease is present may be in a slightly different manner than the usual or classical one if only part or different symptoms are noticed.

May I remember that I did not say you are sick but that at your place I would consult a doctor.

By the way I am also a doctor.

The fact that you mention what your mother said is no legal proof she did it since its is a second hand source (you) who brings the information.

Interesting is the fact that you felt obliged to justify your smile with this argument.

It shows some hidden side of you psyche as well as your comments alalong.

In fact your smile is a mask you wear, it is not a deep sincere smile, which you use in order to win clients.

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11/11/2015 12:03 PM

I'm sorry but I am not really impressed by celebrity titles and all sorts of suffixes attached to their names, even you as a doctor. It's a fallacy of winning an argument. Whatever you say, is not quite accepted as absolute truth, not unless you can search the heart and the mind of a person.

I have enough BS, and anyway thanks for your prejudice doctor, you should get extra subject in psychology and probability. Don't hurt you patient.

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11/11/2015 12:07 PM

BS= Basic Stupidity ?

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11/11/2015 12:32 PM

the test is self explanatory doctor.

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11/11/2015 12:45 PM

Thank you for the links but if you read what I wrote you will notice that I used the term UNCERTAINTY so that I do not need them, as for the shot may be you need it.

With respect to BS I wanted to be polite and not speak about excrements.

Now this the last comment since you are not worth to discuss further.

The plane on which you move is too low (intellectually speaking).

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11/11/2015 12:47 PM

yeah, its alright.

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11/11/2015 9:18 AM

Because I am not that type of person he is, who is tight to people like the bean counter he take sided with giving a little less and expecting so much returns. That guy needs some serious empathy and interpersonal skills.

You know that boss scheme "its your mistake", but "I'll take your credits" stuff. That's brilliant, so I left and now I am happier than ever. Spending much time with my kids and wifey, what could be more to that?

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11/11/2015 7:13 AM

Strike 3, you are outa there

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11/11/2015 7:58 AM

Lyn:

It's either too bad you already got 4 GAs for this, as I can only add one more, or it's too bad you didn't already get a hundred or so.

I'm sick of Legolaz' trolling. We taught our KIDS that "If it isn't fun for one, it isn't fun for any" when dealing with crowds. And THEN we punished our kids for bullying. A private opinion can and should be kept private, and dealt with in public, if at all, only discreetly "Ma'am, Sir, I don't know if you realized how much trouble he causes, but you might want to think again about putting him on that team/in charge of that project/etc...".

I suspect, Lyn, that as public as you are with your comments to people as insulting and troublous as Legolaz, that you understand and apply what I'm talking about above. Like you, I think Legolaz has boiled over the "discreet pressure" limits.

So, no matter what "smart" (quotes because truly smart requires intelligence, and I'm convinced he has none) comments he might make, spread them thin. There are no doubt many of us to whom he must be speaking.

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Re: Split Coupling Design

11/10/2015 7:11 PM

Judging by your question, since you don't know how to design it or make it, you should just buy it.

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11/10/2015 11:28 PM

The easiest way to make a coupling like the one pictured is to start with a round billet of the required diameter and length.

1. Drill the bolt holes to the tapping drill size.

2. Cut the billet in half longitudinally with a slitting saw.

3. Drill screw and screw head clearance holes in one side of each half.

4. Tap threads for bolts in other holes on each half.

5. Bolt the lot tightly together.

6. Mount in lathe, a 4 jaw chuck will be required here as the item is no longer perfectly round.

7. Drill a 22mm/7/8" hole right through the length of the piece.

8. With the aid of a boring bar, turn the hole out to a diameter slightly smaller than the smaller shaft.

9. Without removing the piece from the chuck, turn the piece out for half its length to a diameter slightly smaller than the larger shaft.

10. With a slitting saw, make a partial cut at the halfway mark in one half as per the photo to allow both sections to be tightened independently.

11. If a keyway is required, then this can easily be achieved with a slot drill rather than a keyway broach.

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Re: Split Coupling Design

11/11/2015 12:16 AM

Thank you all for your valuable comments;

i will like to add that the following,

we want to join vertical pump with motor with power 15 KW and 3000 rpm, the motor shaft diameter is 42 mm and pump shaft diameter is 25 mm.

i know that the D = 2.5d and L=3.5d or 1.5D

where d is shaft diameter and D is coupling outer diameter. I only want to know that is the outer diameter of coupling will be also of different diameter? or tapper

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11/11/2015 12:27 AM

No, the outer diameter will be the same.

I worked at a company that made all our own couplings (and pumps, and they were simply a solid cylinder with two precise IDs machined in them and set screws.

Keyways would need to be broached with this design, but we used thousands of them over the years on vertical pumps with few problems.

Shaft ODs and coupling IDs must be controlled closely.

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11/11/2015 1:24 AM

Thank you very much

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11/11/2015 12:52 AM

Those relationships are minimums, you may exceed them. My recollection is that L=3.75d minimum. The longer the coupling the closer to the bearings and the lower the bending moments.

Much simpler to have a uniform cylinder. If you taper it, the positioning of the fixings becomes more complex, and if you step it, you create a weak spot at the shoulder.

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11/11/2015 1:26 AM

Thank you very much, i will keep the length as suggested

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