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Downloading of Handbook

11/10/2015 6:44 AM

I have soft copy of Carrier Hand Book of Air Conditioning system design all the 12 chapters down loaded from China site. If i upload this in web site for the use of other fellow HVAC students and engineers, will it be violation of copy right law of Carrier Co? Will they take legal action?

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11/10/2015 6:51 AM

Yes and no. So it would be safer not to do it. Let the students find their own way by just giving them the URL instead, Mildred.

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11/10/2015 7:21 AM

I suspect that the copy you have probably violates copyright (unless you officially got it from Carrier Co from their Chinese site... I'm not familiar with them). So posting it probably will violate their copyright, unless maybe it was a student edition? Usually, if you have to pay for something and then get it for free on the web, there is a copyright violation somewhere.

But hey, I'm just an engineer that tries to think logically - maybe a lawyer will have a different answer! My advice here is not worth the paper it is written on - oh, we're paperless, then it has negative value

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11/10/2015 7:44 AM

Copyright does not apply in the South pole, so it does not matter.

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11/10/2015 6:20 PM

It is a photostat copy of the original carrier hand book

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11/10/2015 1:24 PM

For your information, copyright is world wide.
I'm on the trail of someone in California at the moment for claiming my work as their own.

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11/10/2015 2:56 PM

I nailed the last one that tried it with my work. A direct copy, spelling mistakes and all.

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11/10/2015 5:05 PM

Some maps are produced with deliberate spelling errors and other surprises for the very purpose of detecting copyright violators.

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11/10/2015 6:15 PM

Yes... Yes that was what I was trying to accomplish.

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11/11/2015 9:20 AM

When doing city maps, those are usually known as 'trap streets,' an imaginary side street or alley that cuts through the middle of a block, or a 'six corners' intersection drawn as three intersections with a triangular island in the middle.

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11/10/2015 5:30 PM

If the manual is copyrighted, you are in violation.

It is your duty to know the laws.

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Finally, disregard any and all comments from the troll Legolaz.
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11/10/2015 6:03 PM

I wonder how is plagiarism far different fro copyrigthen?- damn, it sounds german

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11/10/2015 6:20 PM

It could be considered along similar lines to pretending to be someone else for the purposes of gaining access to somewhere said person has had their access revoked for good reasons.

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11/10/2015 6:45 PM

Try not to speak!

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11/10/2015 7:05 PM

ok i hold my mouth

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11/10/2015 11:07 PM

did you think about asking them? Or as Crabtree suggested, just post the link

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11/11/2015 2:15 AM

Ask the company if they will allow you to supply a copy for student use, downloaded from them (not your copy!).

Do not tell them you have what is probably a Pirate copy. Thats a bad start.

Some companies are very happy to have students trained on their "equipment", as it gives them an edge later on with such students when supplying equipment.

At the worst, each student may have to pay a small sum to the company concerned....maybe with their first order in a few years, they may get their money back....

There are several possible scenarios.

If they don't want to "play ball", find another company.....

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11/11/2015 9:24 AM

To use the internet parlance:

THIS! Exactly this!

Andy has hit the nail squarely on the head, and driven it with one blow. Listen to every work on his post.

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11/11/2015 4:20 PM

Be very careful here - If Carrier doesn't get you directly, it is possible a student will "take you down". If they suspect the copy is pirated and become disgruntled - big problems can occur. Some years ago, I saw two engineers of a company from Boston turn over a pirate copy of Rockwell's RS Logix500 to an instructor in a Rockwell training class on RS Logix500. They were apparently unhappy with their employer and got even this way. They told Rockwell this was what they were given by their employer to use on the company's SLC500. Today this would be a joke, as they are nearly obsolete, but this was when they were top of the AB line.

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11/12/2015 9:23 AM

The SLC500 may be a joke, but the Micrologix software is still a big business for AB, Micrologix500 covers a number of PLCs, from the SLC series to the comparable micro- and nano-PLCs. If you don't need a full PAC for your system, one of those micro or nano units would fit the bill, and they're still in production, unlike the discontinued(?) SLC series.

Bottom line, AB is STILL hot to get their license money for ML500 to this day.

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11/12/2015 9:37 AM

We use AB processors almost exclusively, and every few months another new micro or mini comes out to replace the RS Logix 500 model with a RS Logix 5000 based one. The software for the 500 series has been pirated many times over by now and Rockwell is moving away from it. Doubt they'd get real upset anymore by a pirate copy appearing in a students hands in a class room. Make that the RS Logix 5000 and they'd come all unglued.

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11/12/2015 10:15 AM

We still use RSLogix500 here in the plant to maintain our PLCs. Then again, they're all SLCs or Micrologix1100 series, none of the higher-end stuff.

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11/12/2015 1:03 PM

I run into this from time to time. The originator of the document is most helpful in these situations. I have had them say 'NO' you cannot download it, one said 'YES - I wish more people would do this'. Another even said its OK but offered to email me the latest edition. This will always be the say so of the originator of the document. JHF (my sea lawer point of view)

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