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New Product Fabrication Recommendations

12/30/2015 10:55 AM

I need to fabricate a new product that will use the movement of the tide to generate electric power; a wheel like structure 50' tall 30' wide. It needs to be a light weight structure capable of performing under high stress (torque) at depth of 300' to 500' under the sea exposed to the corrosion problems of salt water for long periods. What will be the recommended materials for construction and what type resins will be the best to use to protect said structure from the corrosion of salt water?

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12/30/2015 11:20 AM

If I tell you, how much will you pay me?

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12/30/2015 11:35 AM

A solution is not always the best solution. Soliciting multiple opinions is where the best solution could be found.EXHJ3RWG

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12/30/2015 12:00 PM

A solution is not always the best solution.

Wow! I'm going to put that up with all the other famous quotes. (And yes, I'm mocking you!)

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12/30/2015 11:29 AM

Make it out of polypropylene and weld it together.

Don't bother with metals, they will corrode, no matter what.

Send drawings to LynDoor™Industries and we will give you more ideas. We are interested in buying new ideas for power generation.

We just invested over $15,000.00USMD in a Pakistani invention.

Send to: LynDoorInd.con.

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12/30/2015 11:48 AM

I am expecting the finalization of the patent within the next 60 days. I will be interested on investors. Is a revolutionary process 100% more effective than wind electrical production per farm.

Thanks and Happy New Year

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12/30/2015 12:15 PM

Let me be totally honest with you.

This forum sees many claims of revolutionary power generation in any given month.

"Free Energy Self Running magnet" is one that just came up today.

So far, none of them have been turned into a commercially viable product by the person making these claims.

Finalization of a patent is a meaningless statement.

Being granted a patent just means that the patent examiner has never seen publicly documented examples of the device being patented.

IT DOES NOT MEAN that the idea is practical, viable, achievable or even feasible.

You will not be taken seriously here until you can present PROOF of your concept.

What do you think makes your idea 100% more efficient that a wind farm?

Remember, we are skeptical engineering types that require proof, not just claims.

Good luck.

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12/30/2015 12:19 PM

You mean you haven't applied for a patent yet? If you put information about a (possibly) patentable idea into the public domain, you might render it no longer patentable. When you share info like this, you weaken the patent and open the door for someone else to invalidate some of your claims.

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12/31/2015 10:28 AM

Foolishness is not taking seriously a community of disbelievers. Yes, the patent has been under prosecution for more than a year. As part of the prosecution there was demand for proof of concept. The statement made about 100% more effective that wind is a quote from the independent engineering firm who performed the test on a model. The application has been given a letter of allowance. Due to negotiations with an investor, publication of the specifics of the test results will be against legal advice; everything at its proper time. The question made to the forum was to see if I had missed a new process to solve the overexposure to ocean salinity. In stead, I found that nothing changes when dealing with engineers. If anyone have anything to contribute to the question will be appreciated.

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01/01/2016 9:21 PM

So, you have a low opinion of us "engineers" because we either didn't take you seriously or give you the answer you want (both with good reason).

I'm sure it's for the best because you sound suspiciously like a lawyer.

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01/02/2016 9:30 AM

Since nothing changed when dealing with engineers why ask engineers for a free help ? You already have as helping hand an independent engineering office so why ask people who even if they know how will never be payed for what they give you.

Why ask those unpleasant engineers to give you a gift?

As for information only such hydrogenerators are already in development (advanced) with prototypes at full scale in different locations where the flows (also generated by tides) are strong enough to justify the investment. Dimensions are of same order of magnitude as you gave. It must be said that results on a scaled down model do not always fit for the full scale device. I know by chance what was used but due to your attitude I shall let you discover by yourself and at your cost.

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01/03/2016 12:24 PM

No profession of high knowledge should be disrespected and my message calling engineers disbelievers was not intended as an offense but as an acknowledgement that engineers as scientist, hold not worthy of belief anything that challenges any boundary of known concept. I am always more open and receptive to innovative ideas that could expand positively those boundaries. My question did not asked for free advice, there is plenty of options found in the increasingly abundant sources of materials; however, in the field of ocean acidification, new materials like resin coated fiber-reinforced composite materials are moving by leap and bounds on a continuous basis. The oceans are currently absorbing over one million tons of CO2 from the atmosphere each hour, and play an important role in mitigating global warming. At the same time, enhanced dissolution of CO2 from the air is also acidifying the oceans not counting the abundant discharges of sludge, nitrates, and phosphate which are constantly mixing in the ocean floor changing the composition of the sedimentation and in general the chemistry across the entire spectrum. These factors present complications in interpreting and understanding ocean acidification and the impact on known materials for marine use, especially those permanently deployed in the bottom of the ocean, presenting the need to question whether what is known to work will continue to work. Sharing experiences with new materials open the dialog for a better understanding of new solutions expanding our professional boundaries making us better engineers. A so called Guru is a leader, a teacher and especially intellectual guide in matters of fundamental concern. A leader lead by example, stimulating and educating; start being one.

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12/31/2015 6:21 AM

How do you define effective and efficient? If it will be 100% more than wind then you go -theoretically- over unit, i.e. you get more energy from less energy, quite surprising.

How do you know it will work? Is it your feeling only or have you made a full analysis of the process?

You will apply for the patent within next 60 days but you do not know if a patent will be granted.

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12/31/2015 10:53 AM

The known capacity factor for a typical wind farm is about 33% (1,000 MW farm realistically produces an average of 333 MW due to the lack of wind reliability). 100% imply that the capacity factor, based on the results of the load test, will exceed 66%.

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12/30/2015 12:13 PM

Perhaps you would be interested in investing in our new EAGLEPOWER © turbine blades?? Aesthetically pleasing and somewhat functional, these turbine blades add class to your generating endeavor...

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12/30/2015 12:22 PM

That's soooooooooo out of vogue.

You dress like an eagle, but squawk like a chicken.

We've just purchased the rights to a magnetic electrical harvester that will make wind and sea power a thing of the past!

Our magnetic wonder will generate power 24 hours a day, regardless of the wind or waves, cloudy or snowing.

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12/30/2015 3:34 PM

Caution: Do not include email addresses in posts, lest you be inundated with spam.

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12/30/2015 4:39 PM

No worries. All spam sent to LynDoorInd servers is filtered through PRISM first.

Only the Nigerian bank accounts are forwarded to us.

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01/05/2016 10:32 AM

Hence the ".con", or was that just a typo??

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12/30/2015 12:11 PM

Fish friendly?

Seems like the wrong approach to me. They should build the turbine like an underwater squirrel cage. Put the fish to work. Convert fin power to electricity!

And use the eels as foremen.

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12/30/2015 12:42 PM

Ah, we're way ahead of you there, we have an electric eel powered car in the prototype stage as we speak, it's only a matter of time before we can convert fish food into happy motoring...In the meantime if you have any eels for sale we are always buying....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO00tPIYSUQ

http://www.stufftoblowyourmind.com/blog/electric-eels-power-car/

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12/31/2015 11:09 AM

Reinforced fiberglass seems like an obvious choice.

If you can't fathom the materials and methods of manufacture then how do you sink so much energy into the design?

I have a similar conundrum. I have a design for creating energy in abundance with simple materials and construction techniques, but the pockets on my pants won't allow further development.

I've reached out to a few different firms that could benefit from such apparatus only to be shown the door.

good luck

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