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Relativity: Coming to Terms: Relative Velocity and time dilation
At face value, the term "relative velocity" should be a slam dunk to
understand but it is not. In everyday experience, 2 cars heading toward
each other at 60 mph will collide with an additive speed of 120 mph. A
third party observer would confirm that the gap between them would close
at 120 mph. With relativity, the combined speed follows the
relativistic velocity combination law, instead of simple addition, to
keep any relative velocity below the speed of light limit. Two ships
headed toward each other at .6c would not approach each other at 1.2c
but at .88c. However a third party observer would see them approach each
other at 1.2c. That's the easy part but when velocity is broken up into
its component parts of distance, direction and time, things get
complicated and contradictory.
In everyday life we assume a common platform between 2 relatively
moving objects to determine an individual speed for each object. The
cars on the road would not have relative velocity speedometers to every
car passing them, they all share a relative velocity to the road they're
travelling on. Not so for relativity. There is no way to tell the
individual speeds of two astronauts floating past each other in a
starless universe. Which one is actually moving is impossible to tell
according to relativity. In fact relativity demands that both observers
see the others clock move at a slower rate. The only way to tell which
twin is aging faster than the other is that one has to turnaround and
meet up again with the other. Before the turnaround, both see the other
aging slower despite the fact that they can send messages to each other
at regular intervals signifying how quickly they're aging. It's
impossible that both sets of messages would show both twins are aging
slower than the other and that once the ships reunited the messages
couldn't be re-written by relativity to show one had been aging faster
all along.
The significance of the turnaround is that one twin has violated his
constant velocity inertial frame. His motion has now been established
because he can feel a force telling him so. That's the standard
explanation but in fact the twin paradox can be done without feeling any
force when the turnaround is handed off to a 3rd ship. What
actually happens during the turnaround is that the moving twin jumps
from his constant velocity timeframe to the other twin's stationary
timeframe. Both are briefly not moving in relation to each other at the
turnaround or handoff point. Gravity or acceleration is not the magic
potion that allows one twin to age faster than the other.
The twin paradox teaches us that if we could determine who is
actually moving, then the moving twin ages slower relatively to his
stationary twin and, vice versa, the stationary twin is aging faster
than his moving twin. But unfortunately, relativity has limited itself
to making the call as to who was aging faster until the end of the
journey when both ships meet up again. Otherwise, for the most part,
both twins were aging slower relative to each other and, if one never
turns around, their relative ages are indeterminate even though messages
between them would determine this as can be seen from any spacetime
diagram of the twin paradox. The twin paradox does give us a means of
determining who is actually moving in a relative velocity scenario and
it can be read off the relative clocks. This contradicts the prime
assumption that there is no way to determine who is actually moving in a
relative velocity scenario.
Let's take a look at a modified Hafele-Keating experiment where 2
planes take off in opposite directions at the north pole and orbit the
earth from pole to pole (using an equatorial orbit would add the
unnecessary complication of the earth's spin into the example). Every
relativistic journey is comprised of 5 main parts: a start, an end, a
turnaround, a movement apart and a coming together. Even though Special
relativity forbids the journey to take place in a gravitational
environment and with any kind of acceleration (angular acceleration in
this case), the Hafele-Keating experiment ignores this and can still
derive meaningful time dilation results. Why? Because any acceleration
can be averaged out into an equivalent constant velocity. A round trip
can be modeled with an ignorable instantaneous turnaround time. The time
dilation caused by gravity, which is indistinguishable from an angular
acceleration (except that there is no movement), can also be equated
with the time dilation caused by an equivalent constant velocity.
So the Hafele-Keating experiment is completely analogous to the twin
paradox example where turnaround is at the south pole. Messages can be
sent to the two planes to monitor their time dilation throughout the
journey to determine they are aging slower than us at all parts of the
journey except for the turnaround. But relativity dictates observers on
the plane would not see our time going slower in relation to theirs.
They would actually see our time going faster than theirs contrary to
what relativity says. The planes would be able to recognize, from the
earth's clock moving faster than theirs, that they are in fact the only
ones moving and not the earth moving relatively to them. I don't know
why no one has verified this experimentally; it would be an easy
falsification of the principle assumption of relativity.
But things get even stranger. Two planes going off at the same speed
in opposite directions should have a relative velocity about twice that
of a single plane's speed. This should mean that the time dilation
factor between the planes should be twice that of a single plane speed.
Relative velocity should only be between 2 timeframes yet when the two
planes meet at the north pole, both their clocks have a single common
time dilation with respect to the airport and absolutely no time
dilation with respect to each other. If the 2 planes had taken off
together in the same direction, their relative velocity, in the
classical sense, would have been zero yet their time dilation factor
would have been the same as a single plane's velocity or double that
velocity if they were flying in opposite directions, all having zero
time dilation. The zero time dilation the planes experience in relation
to each other is due to their spacetime path and is not relevant to
their relative velocity. Relativity dictates you cannot make a call on
whether one is stationary, who is moving or if they're coming together
at the same speed; but the resultant zero time dilation between them
says they are both moving at the same speed. You are able to determine
from the relative time dilation between the 2 planes that each is moving
at v even though their relative velocity can be anywhere from 0 to 2v.
So what's better, all these mathematical gymnastics to preserve
Einstein's assumption or empirical data that proves that assumption is
too complex? Science favors the simplest theory.
If you're still unconvinced because the Hafele-Keating experiment
meets the criteria of relativity to determine who is actually moving, a 2nd
experiment could be conducted next time we send a probe to Pluto. Put
an atomic clock on board. Have it send back regular time stamps and
according to relativity we will see that time has slowed for the ship
relative to our time. But we will also send it regular time stamps from
our clock for it to compare with its clock. There's no way this would
yield an indeterminate result. So what would the probe see. According to
relativity, it should see our clock moving slower in relation to its
own. But this is not what it would see; it would see our clock moving
faster than its own because only the probe is moving despite
relativity's convention of relative velocity. It seems like a simple
experiment and although it would replace relativity's basic assumption,
it would have no real effect on the results of the theory. However, the
theory should be corrected if the results of the experiment prove me
correct.
I know Jorrie is somehow going to show me I have a giant crack in my
argument as he has done so many times in the past but I think, despite
any discrepancies in the language, I have incorporated all his previous
objections.