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Que On Overvoltage

04/05/2016 9:06 PM

I know in principle that overvoltages lead to higher current than nominal which could lead to damage of equipment etc...

But, lets say i hav a washer rated 470W, 230V. now if there is overvoltage from the supply say 270V; P=VI.pf, P drawn is constant if we make i the subject shouldnt it rather be that the current decreases??????

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04/05/2016 10:21 PM

P drawn is constant?

Your machine will make your washing with more power. Tumbling, rolling and shaking babe. Or even provide a smoke finish.

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04/05/2016 10:37 PM

How do you know the Wattage will be constant?

Are you static or are you talking about a transient change?

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04/06/2016 12:01 AM

..." An assumption people often make is that since low voltage increases the amperage draw on motors, then high voltage must reduce the amperage draw and heating of the motor. This is not the case. High voltage on a motor tends to push the magnetic portion of the motor into saturation. This causes the motor to draw excessive current in an effort to magnetize the iron beyond the point where magnetizing is practical."...

Motors generally have a tolerance voltage range in which they will operate, the further you go from the optimum voltage level the more stress the motor endures and the shorter the service life....

http://ecmweb.com/design/highs-and-lows-motor-voltage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_spike

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04/06/2016 12:23 AM

That's right, the higher voltage doesn't really make the motor work harder, because that is determined by the load on the motor. So what happens is that the motor saturates and just heats up, consuming more energy for no useful gain. Here is the classic chart explaining it.

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04/06/2016 4:20 AM

When you use higher voltage than rated value, you do not need to worry about current (P=VI). Less current will be occurred as much as higher voltage.

But keep in mind the voltage allowance of your washer. The 17.4% voltage gap is not a small consideration.

In worst case, a board or power elements in the washer would be broken due to insulation fault.

Hope it help you.

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04/06/2016 12:17 PM

thank you all for your answers, especially JRaef, SoarEagle and Moons

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04/07/2016 6:47 AM

The link by Solar Eagle #3 to motor voltage theory was interesting (a trip down memory lane) but oddly enough there was no mention of 'back-emf' and 'speed' and the effect these have on the 'actual' current.

It seems intuitive to say the current increases when the voltage increases which makes sense when everything else stays the same. But with a motor there are other things happening as well and it is the change in these things that have an effect on the current that can cause an increase when the voltage decreases.

The OP might begin to think the motor doesn't know Ohm's Law. Well of course, the motor does know Ohm's Law, because it takes into account the back-emf it generates within itself. And it is the back-emf (a sort of unknown value) that explains the increase in current when the supply voltage reduces.

Assume the motor is running within the parameters of the nameplate, then for any given steady load (whatever is connected to the output shaft) the motor will run at a steady speed. A drop in voltage will mean less torque and that causes the motor to slow down.

This is where the back-emf comes into the equation. A magnetised armature spinning inside a magnetised field as in a motor, will also act like a generator and will produce a voltage in the field within itself in opposition to the supply voltage - this is why it is called a back-emf.

The back-emf is proportional to the speed. So when the motor slows down it will produce less back-emf to oppose the supply voltage, hence allowing more current to flow.

That is to say, the supply voltage meets less 'resistance' - so the current goes up.

But again, it must be said that the motor operates within it's nameplate parameters.

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04/07/2016 1:45 PM

If you are connected to the mains in most civilized countries, it is MOST unlikely, other than short transits, that the mains voltage would rise so much.

It is far more likely to drop, a brownout for example.

Over a longer period, say an hour or so, such a brownout can cause severe overheating of some motor types, the ones where I have seen this happen were all single phase induction motors. It happened because a colleague was too lazy to check voltages when plugging a mains transformer that fed them.....

Bu even then, you would normally notice such low voltage in a domestic situation, and I hope that most people would switch everything off!!

So on a practical basis, you are probably worrying too much!!

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