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High Voltage DC Capacitor

04/26/2016 5:09 AM

We are operating high pressure pumps with VFD which is fitted with 2600v DC capacitor. We experience a failure of capacitor. Now question is can we have stock of these capacitors (1300 microfarad). Is there any posibilty of loosing its charge if kept idle for long. What is the storeage procedure for these capacitors. Can we charge if discharged. Is there any equipment to charge and discharge at the work place.
What is the posibilty of failure of such capacitors in VFD.
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Re: High voltage DC capacitor

04/26/2016 5:12 AM

Please describe the outcome of the telephone call that has been made to the original equipment manufacturer, whose name has been withheld from the forum, and the reason the required information could not be determined during that telephone call?

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Re: High voltage DC capacitor

04/26/2016 6:14 AM

We had 3000V capacitors in store for 20+ years, when needed they worked fine. Its not as if there's much to go wrong with them.

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Re: High voltage DC capacitor

04/26/2016 6:26 AM

Thank you

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Re: High voltage DC capacitor

04/26/2016 6:40 AM

What make and part code are the existing caps?

Are they eletrolytics?

What is the voltage rail they are on? It is normal to de-rate electrolytics by at least 50%: depending on ripple etc. So if the rail is 2000V DC you probably need a 4000V cap.

Look for Ixys / westcode

http://www.westcode.com/caps.pdf

I don't understand your questions about losing charge and storage. Think of a capacitor as a reservoir/container, when you need to use it you fill it up then use it to smooth the current demand on the supply, and, to smooth the voltage for the load.

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Re: High Voltage DC Capacitor

04/26/2016 10:06 AM

Capacitor should be kept protected from damage, clean and dry....corrosion or damage should be your only concern....

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Re: High Voltage DC Capacitor

04/26/2016 10:20 AM

There are three of things I'd look at. One is obviously the voltage applied to the capacitors. Generally you don't want to operate a cap at it's rated voltage, but more like 50-80% of the rated voltage range. Next is operating temperature. The higher the temperature the shorter the life. Many caps are rated at 70C - 85C, and these are of lower quality and shorter life. If you're running at high temperatures, this could be your problem. An important cause of failure in motor applications is ripple current. The is the AC component of the current that passes through the capacitor. Generally the rating for this is something that you can get from the capacitor data sheet. Variable frequency drives usually have pulse width modulated outputs which generate high AC ripple currents. If possible, get a good AC current probe (one that has a bandwidth that exceed your VFD frequency) and measure the current going into the capacitor and see how that compares to the data sheet.

Good luck.

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Re: High Voltage DC Capacitor

04/27/2016 6:49 AM

Ideally, that would take a band with in excess of the inverse of the rise and fall times of switching waveform.

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Re: High Voltage DC Capacitor

04/26/2016 3:44 PM

The capacitors should not be failing, it indicates the VFD is either of poor quality or it is being used in an environment that it is not designed for (such as high ambient temperature or vibration).

In all my (few) years of VFD servicing in harsh farm environments I never saw a capacitor failure.

Have a good look through the VFD manual and online literature as you should not have to replace VFD main capacitors. You may need to move or alter the VFD protection to remove the cause of the capacitor failure. If it has only happened once, well perhaps the drive was just a dud.

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Re: High Voltage DC Capacitor

04/26/2016 10:32 PM

Come . . come, . . a capacitor just does NOT loose its charge. It can fail from overvoltage or overheating.

As it is used in a VFD - which is likely a PWM control, . . . there will be steep spikes of voltage, . . . which will make the capacitor draw spikes of high current . . . these will overheat the capacitor and cause a short.

Where in the circuit is the capacitor located ? You likely need a small inductance to prevent the capacitor from drawing the spiky current .

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Re: High Voltage DC Capacitor

04/26/2016 11:02 PM

VFD capacitors are generally electrolytic.

ABB gives a recommended procedure for re-forming electrolytic capacitors that have not been in service. Feel free to google there procedure.

Rockwell has similar procedures.

I recently started a VFD that had been in storage for 9 years. When we started re-forming the capacitors they "leaked" badly, but after 12 hours of re-forming they were back to normal.

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Re: High Voltage DC Capacitor

04/27/2016 1:59 PM

HV capacitors can be stored indefinitely or for extended peiod of time in a low humidity clean room With normal temperature..

It is also a good and safe practice to put a shorting link between the terminals. This will prevent the capacitors from accumulating any unwanted energy while in storage, thus preventing a shock hazard condition!

Prior to putting into service, capacitors can regain its rated capacity back by conducting an initial series of slow charge and discharge cycles!

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