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Induction Motor Tripping with VVVF

05/22/2016 9:18 PM

There is an LT induction motor used in winch application which was running with VVVF Drive since last 4 years. But before few days drive getting tripped on unbalance fault. Motor insulation resistance, winding resistance and inductance values are normal and balance. Also motor IR checked by applying 1KV and readings are in GOhm. Impulse test at 5KV is also normal.

Then this motor run on DOL and found running normal. Same motor trial taken with another drive and again start tripping. In real application we replaced motor with another one and system started.

My question are :

1)what may be wrong in the motor so it runs with DOL but getting tripped with VVVF drive?

2) Is there any test to identify motor healthiness (except IR test, resistance & induction checking)

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Re: Induction Motor Tripping with VVVF

05/22/2016 10:56 PM

It sounds like you have an unbalanced supply voltage...

http://ecmweb.com/content/beware-line-current-unbalance-vfds

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Re: Induction Motor Tripping with VVVF

05/23/2016 1:00 AM

The VFD would not care about the incoming line voltage, all it does is rectify it.

Because the PWM output is at a much higher DC voltage potential and the pulses have a very fast rise time, they end up being very good at finding problems in motors, often much sooner than standard instruments can. The thing that's difficult to find with other instruments is a turn-to-turn or phase-to-phase insulation breakdown. When you did your other tests, you were testing line to earth. But if there is a turn-to-turn short within a phase winding, or between two different phase windings yet not getting to earth, that test will not show it.

Turn-to-turn and phase-to-phase insulation breakdown in an inverter fed motor is a common problem, caused by a series of issues relating to the high speed pulses and capacitive coupling in the motor conductors and between the stator and rotor. This cases higher voltage pulses to travel down the wires and reflect off of the impedance mismatch from the motor leads to the motor terminals and reflect back to the drive in waves. As they pass, they hit new waves going out and add to them. This reflected wave phenomenon builds up the voltage potential to well over 2X the line voltage reading, often exceeding the motor insulation rating.

If that's what caused this in the first place, don't expect your new motor to last either. Call an expert and have them look at the entire installation.

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05/23/2016 4:40 PM

Sir I am agree with you but doubt is that if turn to turn is short then resistance and/or inductance imbalance should be there. Also on DOL this motor current was balance in each phase.

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05/23/2016 8:16 PM

Sir I am agree with you but doubt is that if turn to turn is short then resistance and/or inductance imbalance should be there. Also on DOL this motor current was balance in each phase.

On DOL, the voltage is lower and there are no DC pulses, no standing wave spikes etc., so everything appears normal. When run on the VFD, there is more leakage that takes place, but your instruments are not adequately recreating the situation. I've seen it hundreds of times with VFDs, they are much better at finding problems, especially those that they create...

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05/23/2016 1:20 AM

Is the motor rated for inverter duty?

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05/23/2016 3:11 AM

GQ GA.

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