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Generator Solenoid Switch

06/14/2016 9:16 AM

I there any negative effect when a 24V solenoid switch is permanently connected to 24V DC supply?

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Re: GENERATOR SOLENOID SWITCH

06/14/2016 9:22 AM

It will be either permanently open or permanently closed, depending on how it is connected.

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Re: GENERATOR SOLENOID SWITCH

06/14/2016 9:25 AM

There will be smoke if the solenoid is not continuously-rated.

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Re: GENERATOR SOLENOID SWITCH

06/14/2016 9:29 AM

Solenoid Coil is NEMA class rated basing on the number of hours of operation at a certain temperature. If the coil is provided with enough ventilation or at a tolerable environment and not overheated. It should last at its lifespan.

And, if contacts rating is not overloaded I think it should be fine.

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Re: GENERATOR SOLENOID SWITCH

06/14/2016 10:12 AM

....so the negative effect, about which is what the original poster asked, would be from the vendor's perspective in extending the time between replacements, then?

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06/14/2016 8:53 PM

Perhaps...But, the positive side for the OP is getting answers free of charge. Though, he should consider CR4 disclaimer in anything said on this site, like Jackofalltrades were saying.

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06/14/2016 2:01 PM

Given the history of the OP, we would have no way of knowing that the coil is NEMA rated.

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06/14/2016 9:01 PM

I am not accustomed to any standard other than NEMA for coils based on experience, perhaps there are other standards out there.

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Re: GENERATOR SOLENOID SWITCH

06/14/2016 10:57 PM

"...Solenoid Coil is NEMA class rated basing on the number of hours of operation at a certain temperature..."

No it is not, the NEMA ratings are for equipment that might be exposed to liquids, dust, etc., refer to the ability to operate properly under those conditions, and are similar to the IEC Standard 60529 IP (Ingress Protection) ratings.

The operating parameters are set by the manufacturer and are based upon the insulation materials' class/temperature ratings, and/or the operating conditions.

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Re: Generator Solenoid Switch

06/14/2016 11:52 AM

A negative effect on what?

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Re: Generator Solenoid Switch

06/14/2016 3:56 PM

This could cause the generator to burn out, but it depends on how the solenoid has been connected up in the circuit.

Given your previous questions I think we are all a little concerned you may be in over your head, potentially putting what look like paying commercial customers at risk. Please be aware that CR4 is not a substitute for proper training or qualifications, especially in a job. It is unethical.

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Re: Generator Solenoid Switch

06/15/2016 1:48 AM

Assuming that by "24V solenoid switch", you are referring to a relay, and that you mean that the 24V supply is permanently connected to the coil of that 24V relay (not the switch terminals of the relay), then the answer is YES!

1. The solenoid is constantly wasting energy.

2. There is no reason for the solenoid to be there. A simple switch with no solenoid would do the same job.

3. There is a possibility of the solenoid overheating, especially if it is mounted in a confined space.

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Re: Generator Solenoid Switch

06/15/2016 10:41 AM

Is the function of the solenoid to act as a drop out relay?

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Re: Generator Solenoid Switch

06/15/2016 4:57 AM

Depends on the specific model. Some solenoid switches (relays, most people call them) are rated for continuous energising, others aren't. I'd check with the supplier.

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Re: Generator Solenoid Switch

06/15/2016 8:18 AM

Negative effect = wasted money. Why have it in there if it is never used? I assume an air control solenoid, and a manual valve will do the same thing, unless you forgot to mention this is in the E-stop circuit. (???) We do this on most process skids - the incoming solenoid for instrument/valve air is on all the time unless the E-stop is tripped or the main power is shut off, and on some, with Cat 3 safety requirements, there are two in series, always on as long as previously mentioned parameters are met.

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