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Bulletproof Shields For Police?

09/28/2016 10:48 AM

Seeing a lot of reports lately where police are being charged with shooting and killing people that may or may not be armed. I was wondering if anyone has thought about the development of a lightweight, bulletproof shield that could be easily deployed when police need to confront a person that may be dangerous. It might even have a built in camera. Not looking for political debate here, just technical discussion of what it might take to do this. It would be a huge market if one could be developed and could save some lives too!

So how would you design such a shield?

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09/28/2016 11:24 AM

Kevlar upper body armour and camera/recorders are worn by most UK police although we don’t have the US’s uncontrolled firearms epidemic.

What do you want? A RoboCop on every corner?

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09/28/2016 11:46 AM

My assumption is, the main reason that the police shoot is because "they fear for their lives." If there was a way to take that fear away, maybe they would hesitate long enough to observe the person and determine if lethal force is really necessary. I don't think a RoboCop on every corner would handle cases where the police need to drive to the scene, and it could not be developed quickly. We need something to take this fear away from the police now. This is not a discussion about firearms.

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09/29/2016 1:33 PM

Strange how UK police still wind up in shoot-outs at times though, isn't it, mate?

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09/28/2016 11:41 AM

Every squad car could come with a an RC car that has a transmitting camera.

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09/28/2016 11:45 AM

Call it a liberty shield

something folding cold be the thing.

Just ask batman

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09/28/2016 11:50 AM

I like the idea of a folding shield. Maybe make it out of ballistic glass so they could be covered nearly completely and still have a good view.

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09/28/2016 12:00 PM

Ugg..

It's a social issue not an engineering one.

We don't have this problem in my area for two reasons.

#1. We put somewhat of an active effort not making sure our law enforcement personnel are properly trained and of the correct mindset for their jobs.

#2. The common person knows that if law enforcement stops you don't get in their face and or act all stupid. Do as they ask or you may get shot.

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09/28/2016 3:28 PM

Don't who or why they OT'd you? It's your opinion and or observation.

"It's a social issue not an engineering one." You got that right, it all started when Parent's lost the ability discipline their own children. I'm not taking about child abuse, but PARENT ABUSE!

It gotten so bad, that you even yell at your brat and the said brat tells their teacher, the teacher by law has to report it to the police, who then calls in CPS and now! It's the parent that is in trouble, maybe in jail too!

And now, society is looking dumb founded, scratching their head, wondering why their brat turned out they way did.

Give back parental control and you'll the killing rate decrease on both sides of the law.

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09/29/2016 1:44 PM

It is the vast numbers of homes without fathers. If fathers were present more (and active functional participants in their children's upbringing, then the improvements are immediate, palpable, predictable, and well worth a penny worth of effort.

My father was not perfect, but I thank God above for his role in making me who I am today.

Go be the best father you can be, and if you don't feel it, go learn about it, and get back in the game.

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09/29/2016 2:00 PM

Two parent households gives kids a better chance (usually) because the child rearing can be shared as well as giving a better chance at a higher family income.

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09/29/2016 3:10 PM

In theory yes but in practicality way too many mothers have unrealistic goals for the family that the fathers can't possibly meet so they end the marriage and leave the guy with as little access to his kids as possible while taking as much from his as possible.

That thus leave the kids to be raised in a highly biased less than balanced single parent home.

I may not be paying out but the little girl I call my daughter is very much apart to this sort of home life.

My Ex tells people I won't spend time with her yet she blocks me with every possible excuse she can because she feels I don't deserve to see her being I did not provide a quality of life she, the Ex, expected of me.

Basically someone wanted to be a trophy wife without putting for the effort to be worth the value to anyone else but me who has near zero want for such a person.

Now multiply that experience by tens of millions of families where the wife wants to be a Disney princes yet doesn't have personality, drive or grounding in reality to even be a notable character in the background of the story.

That's where you get these over entitled idiots who think they know everyting about everything and that those who are in authority for any reasons are as foolishly stupid as they are and thusly of as little respect as they can get away with because they never had a dad at home to knock them on their butts every time their mouth and ego go the better of them as they grew up.

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09/29/2016 3:24 PM

Maybe men who marry trophy wives are the problem here.

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09/29/2016 3:31 PM

Seems like they represent a far lower percentage of the population than women with unrealistic life expectations do.

I have met a lot of people in my life and I can't say a single one stands out in my mind as having a trophy wife for the sake of his ego.

Now women with disney princess dreams issues and unrealistic expectations of their husbands driven by their egos, well....... There's a reason fathers give away their daughters, and still pay for everything, at their wedding you know.

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09/29/2016 3:34 PM

Kinda hard to get a trophy to cook dinner and wash your clothes.

A wife may elect to do these things, but only if treated with respect at a safe distance.

Any wives within the 22' "hot zone" should be monitored closely, and make sure to comply with all verbal commands at that range.

My wife used to be a trophy, now she is a couch ornament.

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09/29/2016 8:16 PM

Yep. My Ex went the same way.

When we met she was my sexy sport SUV but aht end she was my broken down old bus and it was all my fault.

I'm not sure how. I didn't stuff food in her mouth to make her gain 50 pounds. I didn't prevent her from getting and taking ehr needed meds. Nore did I ever stand in her ways of going after any life dreams she had either other that one of having someone else work themselves to death to give her what she wanted at their expense.

I had to work to get what I have and I expect no less of anyone else. I guess that makes me a bad person. Oh well, I can live with that.

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09/29/2016 1:41 PM

The part about not training them properly is most humorous part of the entire discussion.

I think some more emphasis on non-lethal tactics, and hardware might work.

Shooting them with bean bags is one, but perhaps not totally effective unless to the head. I think acoustic energy beams that disable the subject until police have time to subdue them could work. I don't think earmuffs or plugs help with infrasonic weapons.

How about a hamster in a colorless, clear plastic sphere with a camera. I hear those squirrels with cameras can get a lot done. OR a robot hamster ball.

One other non-lethal (and funny) tactic would be super-silly string attack on the subject, kind of like spider-man webs, stick them to themselves and any nearby object, so they cannot raise or aim their weapon. Then the nice officers could move in and make a clean arrest.

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09/30/2016 9:13 AM

It seems the local PD here, and the sheriff's office are working on improvements to C.I.T. by training all officers better on how to respond to situations where the subject has impaired ability to respond or understand officer commands, and is a danger to themselves.

These situations are tragic, and are not the usual situation. I believe no officer really wants to or goes into a situation seeking to shoot and kill the subject. It can be a career ending action, and the emotional fallout is devastating to the officers.

The idea that officers are cruel, maligning predators is simply not true. I believe 100% of police officers have as their highest priority, the safety of themselves, their fellow officers, and the general public surrounding any interaction. They just want to make it home in one piece to hug and love their children at the end of the tour.

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09/28/2016 12:25 PM

Non-starter.

1. Too much time to deploy.

2. Hinders the officer's mobility.

3. Hinders the officer's vision.

4. Hinders the officer's ability to fire their weapon.

5. Something else to carry.

6. Would not project an image of being in control of the situation.

7. Cops would not use it.

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09/28/2016 4:31 PM

I understand there are challenges. Isn't there some way that it could be designed to solve those? Yes training would have to be a big part of it. Or we could just throw our hands up in the air say oh well.

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09/28/2016 5:08 PM

22 feet. That's the first challenge. If a potential perp is within 22 feet of you, he is to be considered a potential deadly threat. That's a sphere inside which most departments allow the use of deadly force to control a situation. Gun, knife, hammer it doesn't matter. If you arrive on scene and there is someone that close to you he stands a good chance of being able to shoot, stab or bludgeon you to death before you can arm yourself and fire.

Attitude is the second. Cops need to feel in control and hiding behind a shield does not present an image of controlling the situation.

Policy is the third. See #1. There's also that phrase I don't like, "I was in fear for my life".

TRAINING is the fourth, and largest one. Situational awareness lets you know what the threat is. Knowing how and when to use deadly force is a result of training.

Finally, equipment carried already is another one. I deal with cops almost every day in my line of work. They already carry an enormous amount of equipment on the pockets of their vests, Sam Brownes and strapped on their legs if they carry a taser, too.

I'm not saying to just throw up our hands, but changing the culture of both the cop and the potential arrestee will take time and effort.

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09/28/2016 1:07 PM

Well they got those....~$900

http://www.bulletblocker.com/bullet-proof-briefcase-bulletproof-carry-on-luggage-and-bags.html

No time to deploy in most cases a shoot or be shot situation occurs unexpectedly...

Link...

Typical riot shield...$200

  • Made of heavy duty .250" thick polycarbonate
  • ergonomic handle which allows one or two handed use
  • handle and breakaway strap are dielectric to prevent electrical pass through and can be reversed for right or left handed use
  • wide nylon arm strap is easily adjustable while in use
  • NSN number 846-501-515-0358
  • USA military spec V-50 rated
  • 48" H x 24" W; 14 lbs

Link...

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09/28/2016 8:05 PM

The trick would be to encase the perp in a bulletproof dome...

Net capture...?

A robotic python....?

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09/28/2016 10:48 PM

This isn't meant to be racial nor political.

There's been a question that's been troubling me for about 6 months now regarding the Black Lives Matter Movement- If Black Lives Matter, then why do they continue to kill each other?

It's staggering to see statics of the murder rate between Blacks in the US. Between gangs and the drugs, the young black population will due themselves in.

With this type of violence, it's no wonder cops treat them as felony stops, guns drawn and all, but at the same time the younger cops seem to be the ones pulling the trigger too.

Restoring the family core values would make a big difference in the civilian/ police inter-actions. And maybe the police wouldn't need additional armor?

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09/29/2016 6:17 AM

The "movement" is actually...Black Lives Matter Too!

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09/29/2016 1:04 PM

That mentality has not done well here. We don't judge people by their looks but by their actions.

Sure we will joke around about stereotypes but for the most part people fall into two categories. 'Useful' and 'not so much' and the 'not so much' grouping is not the least bit skin color or racial origin based.

Anyone who is putting any effort into being a measurable asset to our social setting is valued and respected. Those who don't want to step up to basic level are not given much respect.

There is no believable "I can't find a job" excuse here. There are always jobs available.

The problem is for many who don't contribute is they won't take anything less than a 'very good high paying job' they more than likely don't have the skills to get into, deserve or hold onto.

My brothers Ex is perfect example of that. When they divorced she would not get a job (not that she couldn't find one) and found the welfare system to be 'good enough for her' Sort of for a while. The issue she had was as a unemployed bum the only living accommodations our welfare system gave her was bare minimum low end efficiency apartments which she refused because they didn't come in two and three bedroom dual level with balcony versions.

That's the people who don't get much respect here from the majority and to be honest we aren't too bothered by them 'just disappearing one day' either which does happen.

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09/29/2016 1:13 PM

There are twice as many 'whites' shot and killed by police, as blacks....When's the last time you saw a story of an unarmed white person being shot and killed by police?

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09/29/2016 1:42 PM

It's difficult to find data on "unarmed" cop killings, but here's one source.

Police killed more than 100 unarmed black people in 2015 ...

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10/02/2016 1:53 PM

That's by percentages, not actual numbers....The actual numbers correlate to the poverty rate by percentages though....Half the people killed by police are white, 1/4 black, and 1/4 hispanic, asian, and other...They like to use the percentage by population because it makes it appear to be more....

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09/29/2016 1:46 PM

I love how insufficient statistics can promote any argument.

Are there twice as many whites as blacks not shot by police? If this is an anomalous measurement then how many standard deviations is this from the average? Was a black moon on the rise? Why is the FBI tracking of police shootings called a "travesty" if it can be properly supported? (Hint: Everyone makes mistakes. Few are willing to report them.)

Anecdotal evidence thrives on sensationalism and subconscious fears. This causes people to to quickly jump to wrong conclusions.

Still there are clear cases where the police get far more than just the benefit of the doubt. To bring up a well documented example, why wasn't any of those who assaulted Abner Louima charged with rape?

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09/29/2016 11:18 AM

"Put down the gun or I will respectfully tear you a new one in a totally respectful and unbiased manner."

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