No Hiatus in Global Warming After All

You'll find yourself in the minority here, when it comes to climate changes.

There's more denial here than there is in Egypt.

Along with our new administration, most think it is a plot by Al Gore to suck all the money out of the air.

All that data is just liberal propaganda.

5-4-3-2-1, here they come now.

Sadly you are absolutely correct. When it comes to every aspect of climate change, CR4 members are not willing to accept any perspectives outside of their preconceived notions. It still baffles me why some refuse to acknowledge the science.

" It still baffles me why some refuse to acknowledge the science."

Because it isn't science, it's politics. The satellite data showed no warming until it was adjusted. Imagine how much pressure the man was under to do that. His job was in jeopardy. The Dems will do anything to invalidate the Trump presidency. It will be interesting to see what changes after Trump gets inaugurated.

Do you really believe this?

The evidence is all around you.

It has been reviewed by numerous instances and the corrections applied on old data was correct and justified.

To be even more concrete: it was not the satelite data but manual recorded sea water temperature that got corrected.

The Trump dictatorship will plunder the country and many ignorant, racists will stand by and let them.

The USA will degrade into a bullying second rate country with a psychopathic maniac for a terrible leader and the climate will continue to degrade as the thieves in power try to emulate Putin and his robber baron friends.

The classes will become even more divided and fools who support the yellow cheeto will continue to devolve into debt and self destruction while worshiping him him all the way to the grave.

History is repeating the same disaster that befell Germany after 1933.

So politics is what drives your BS nonsense after all.

You're just upset because a different group of bullying psychopathic maniac ignorant racists with an agenda opposite of the last group you supported are going to be running things for a while and given the track record your side set in the last number of years this new group has nowhere to go but up!

Besides if your sides predictions of what Trump will do play out with the same basic degree of accuracy as your climate change horror scenarios did in the same time frames the odds are he may turn out to be the greatest president and world leader to ever walk this earth before his first year in office is even done!

The black beanhead and his group got kicked out enmass to be replaced by 'the orange cheeto brigade' for a reason. Deal with it.

Read any real, factual intelligence reports lately?

Not the BS the new dictator is feeding his ignorant followers.

Politics do not enter into my concerns about the atmosphere and the environment and the Earth.

Keep on burning those tires.

I ran out of tires and the only politics i follow are the ones I perceive to be gainful or potentially gainful to me in the future.

Sound like the climate change study committee/department/agency is likely to be getting slapped around pretty hard for questionable past actions so that a plus in my book for the new crew in charge! Many cheers in my circle for that possible action taking place!

It's a small step but still a step in the right direction of slaying the 'global climate change' blame monster too many use to hide the fact that life happens and people do stupid things that screw up other things for other people.

I could be wrong but then like everyone else who is wrong I'm gonna blame it on 'climate change' since it's something that no one can take personal responsibility for yet can blame everyone else everywhere on the planet who has lived in the last 100+ years for my being wrong and or doing wrong things.

It's the perfect scapegoat! All encompassing yet impossible to do anything about and it gives anyone a reason to push others around for whatever reason they chose.

That's like setting yourself on fire and hoping a billionaire will pee on you and put you out.

Good luck with that.

He'll pee gasoline on you and fan the flames.

" Coral reefs are bleaching."

Seems Lyn isn't the only one giving/implying the wrong causes credit for certain hot topic issues.

"

Great Barrier Reef[edit]

The Great Barrier Reef along the coast of Australia experienced bleaching events in 1980, 1982, 1992, 1994, 1998, 2002, 2006, and 2016.^[48][49] Some locations suffered severe damage, with up to 90% mortality.^[50] The most widespread and intense events occurred in the summers of 1998 and 2002, with 42% and 54% respectively of reefs bleached to some extent, and 18% strongly bleached.^[51][52] However coral losses on the reef between 1995 and 2009 were largely offset by growth of new corals.^[53] An overall analysis of coral loss found that coral populations on the Great Barrier Reef had declined by 50.7% from 1985 to 2012, but with only about 10% of that decline attributable to bleaching, and the remaining 90% caused about equally by tropical cyclones and by predation by crown-of-thorns starfishes.^[54]

The IPCC's moderate warming scenarios (B1 to A1T, 2 °C by 2100, IPCC, 2007, Table SPM.3, p. 13^[55]) forecast that corals on the Great Barrier Reef are very likely to regularly experience summer temperatures high enough to induce bleaching.^[51]"

Seems other factors than climate change play a ~90% roll in at least one major well known coral reefs bleaching problems. Also seems the dang stuff grows back pretty damn fast when sea conditions are in its favor .

This is just one of countless examples of why certain large, and growing groups, of people are becoming increasingly skeptical of your sides views and explanations for what happens in nature.

Your side blames everything on " "It's global warming's fault. and it has to stop, yet every prediction and most every issue you blame it on has multiple other provable primary causes for what produced the effect than "It's global warming's fault." has ever shown to be a real credible cause let alone any degree of provable driving force.

A tree loses its leaves October 4th instead of 6th, "It's global warming's fault".

An ant farts while facing north instead of south, "It's global warming's fault"

Water runs downhill, "It's global warming's fault."

You lost your job, "It's global warming's fault."

You got a new job, "It's global warming's fault."

There are rabbits in your garden. "It's global warming's fault."

It was a unusually cold winter, "It's global warming's fault."

It was an unusually normal summer, "It's global warming's fault."

You prostate is acting up, "It's global warming's fault."

The mail was late, "It's global warming's fault."

You cant find your keys, "It's global warming's fault."

No matter what it is you can perceive as bad, even if it's not, you guys claim "It's global warming's fault." and do so with all the belief and bluster most every devout religious person of old gave their god/gods credit for whatever happened in life to them or anyone else except unlike them they at least gave their god/gods credit for when something they perceived as good happened. You don't even do that. Everything everywhere is bad and clearly "It's global warming's fault."

Sorry but too many of us see too many aspects of life everywhere that have either not changed or that have improved to faithfully take you word for it. Especially given your word and those who created it have been proven to have lied, manipulated and come up so insanely short on their guaranteed predictions in so many ways most anyone of a solid scientific and or engineering mindset would be embarrassed to associate themselves with it by now.

The real scientific consensus I believe and follow is that the climate is changing just as it has always done and been doing so in the typical and normally hard to follow and understand ways it has always done since way before we humans ever existed and it will continue to do so way after we are gone and no longer able to blame it for every inconvenience and paranoid thought we can come up with to justify our primal fears of change and losing what we cherish regardless of how well or poorly they are funded in anything.

I did not say the only cause coral reef bleaching was warmer water temperatures caused by global warming. You've constructed a straw man so you can tear it to shreds. You must not have much conviction in your perspective. Then again, I already knew you were incapable of being objective about global warming.

I learned the technique from the other side.

So you are saying you expect things to remain the same? You should brace for a shock.

Things are about to set upon a new course, that will leave climate change in the dust.

In other words, economical means will present themselves, that will allow all mankind to prosper, drastically reduce CO2 emissions, etc. but unfortunately I do not see an end to massive methane emissions by some on this forum, cows, and belches of natural gas from mother earth herself. Methane is a far more potent thermal blanketing gas than is CO2. Look it up.

We do a favor to the planet every time we burn natural gas, rather than releasing it, so keep a lighter handy for your flatulent moments. LOL

No, I do not expect things to stagnate on anything. I never said that things will stagnate and I wish people would stop misreading my comments. Particularly misreading my comments just to shoot down the misreading.

Leave it.

We don't understand why you can't accept it is a human caused disaster that develops and you don't understand why we do accept that.

Little chance you will convince us of the big green conspiracy theory.

It must be something American: everything over there looks to be political: one side says go left, then the other has to say no right.

Even when there is no right or left possibility they still need to block each other.

In the rest of the world we tend to discuss on how to solve it, and if unclear we tend to find as much as possible measurement data to find the real root cause. We have the impression that the denial side in the US tends to prevent more data to be captured, so that it is impossible to fund the conclusions.

I for one, am already tired of winter. I wish it could warm up for a couple of weeks.

OMG, I am advocating for Global Warming.

Some days the truth is a rare commodity. We will find out in the end.

I really do not care what my car (pickup truck) runs off of. Alcohol is OK. n-Butanol would be better. High silanes might be even better than that.

The only thing is, it needs to be something a billhilly like me can make after the rest of you have moved off to planet green.

I read.

You really should take a deep breath and relax.

I quit cold turkey 10 years ago.

Just presenting the facts. Global warming is not going away. Not without the help of engineers such as ourselves.

We as a group should be working hardest to reduce this problem. Not shouting each other down.

Too late.

Blame Climate Change

I could go on, and on, and on.........................................

I still do not accept "Global Warming" or human caused climate change on face value, and I have never seen data that did not have serious inherent flaws in either the reasoning, the deployment of sensors, or simple inaccuracy. Unless you have a real, verifiable data set that has not been twiddled with by some unscientific moron, forget it.

On the other hand, I have no problems with technology of any kind that supposedly reduces atmospheric emissions of all kinds, such as new advanced nuclear fission reactors, the advancement of fusion energy, LENR, renewables, etc. Advanced energy storage is also a hot topic with me. Batteries will never reach the suitable level, as far as I am concerned. Molten silicon is the way of the future.

In fact I have a LENR project ongoing right now, that will definitively test calorimetry, radiation, and available quality of heat recovery from our reactor series (the project will have an evolution of small reactors, and right now we are at 2.0, where we went through 1.0-1.3, then changed the basic design. Thus far, we have achieved up to 108 C operating temperature, pressure of approximately 13 psig, with interesting bump boiling effects that do not always take place, but are still frequent. We are waiting on radiation counting equipment to show up on site. No worries, virtual certainty all we have is Beta of medium energy, will not penetrate much, even sort of hard to detect.

I like shouting people down, just because I get tired of the harpies, and the "I told you so" crowd.

Screw that, just go do something, and let us know how that pans out.

Well, you've got plenty of sand out there in west Texas, stick your head back in it and don't worry.

This statement: "I still do not accept "Global Warming"? is very alarming to me on its face.

It can only follow that yop do not accept "Global Cooling" either.

I thought you were educated and had enough gumption to look at a warming/cooling trends cycle record of the earth.

No wait, you believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, so, never mind.

As usual, you don't read the entire sentence before you tee off.

AT FACE VALUE.

Climate science is far more of a complicated science that a simple array of instruments can comprehend. The mere readings of temperatures neglects all the critical phenomena associated with the climate.

Right now, things appear pretty normal for West Texas in January, snow coming down, people going home early, except us power guys.

No freaking tropical heat wave here, baby.

I totally, think that there is more contribution of CO2 from natural phenomena than from man's transportation fleet. Go read the Desiderata once more, and relax by your fire with a good brew (coffee or otherwise).

How do you really know WTF I believe. I believe in God, I examine science, but science is not always accurate, and you know that. If it was, there would be no need to advance our understanding. I think people have drawn inaccurate conclusions off a minimal and most likely erroneous database.

Where is the model that encompasses all of the inputs, and not leaving about half of them out? It is an oversimplification.

The Earth is known to be older than the written scriptures about God, for in Jeremiah, it clearly states about the uninhabited places of old, and how God will make them anew. Shocker, but I think God may have had to wipe out the dinosaurs to make a habitation suitable for mankind.

You want data, well that is easy to find. I like how NASA has organized things. If you prefer to sift through massive data then here is a good portal to lots of data scrutinized for scientific validity.

Wait a minute!

By their own data and observations they used to generate their own animations, NASA Atmospheric CO2 levels animation. clearly the whole planet is not at the as advertized 408+ PPM CO2 level nor is it at that level year round.

Half or more of the planet's atmosphere is at well under that level and in the green and below concentration levels during the whole year's worth of animation with it the obvious majority of the atmosphere's peak location and timeline CO2 levels dropping back to well within and even below their green zone PPM value levels by mid August.

It is all smoke and mirror by folks with blinders on the real problem - human caused smart felling - that is lowering brain activity by induced cranial intrarectumitis.

Huge sections of Australia's Great Barrier Reef - something that has been there for 25 million years - are bleaching at an alarming rate due to rising seawater temperatures and ocean acidification (thank you, CO₂). Meanwhile the island nation of Kiribati is buying land in Fiji and Vanua Levu to which to relocate their population as the sea level rises. Kiribati is their home and they're losing their entire f.....g country to the ocean.

It's so easy to deny what's happening from behind the comfort of one's keyboard, safe and sound from the day-to-day reality; a little harder to deny when it's literally right at your front door. What's left of it.

Think global warming isn't real? Go live there and bring your scuba gear - you'll need it.

I dunno looks the same to me....

Turn over, you're only half baked.

Great find!

never allow data to get in the way of a good narrative

did you actually read the studies quoted here? you can re-crunch any data until you reach the conclusion you wanted before you began.

"you can re-crunch any data until you reach the conclusion you wanted"

And your point is?

Would you have us believe that your data is somehow sacred?

Burn a tire for them.

29 eerie photos that show just how polluted China's air has become

Mine that coal, baby, there's no problem with our air!

There is nothing wrong with the majority of the air. It's the few highly specific locations with very specific sets of conditions that create those effects that have the problems and their regulations to combat such issues that are being unreasonably applied to everyone else everywhere else that does not have and in the majority of cases could not create those conditions if they tried.

Take every single one of those places with high smog and airborne pollutant issues and put them where I live out in the open wind blown prairie and those effects would not exist even if they pushed the pollutant source outputs to 10X what they have going now.

If you live in toilet expect that where you live will smell like shit but don't assume that everyone whos does not live in a toilet smells like shit too and needs to do something about your issues they don't have.

So much for me staying out of this thread. I tried, I really did but, dang, Pompous stupidity is my kryptonite.

Heard it all before.

Keep on howling at the moon.

NOAA challenged the global warming 'pause.' Now new research says the agency was right.

Your response was not very clear so,

Are you saying other places with high populations like those chinese cities such as the greater Minneapolis metro area with some 3.5 million plus people aren't polluted like that and never have been because of something other than the fact they have adequate air flow though their locations unlike the chinese cities?

Or are you saying using rational logical sense to explain a problem and what is a primary cause for its existence, like location and surrounding geographical attributes is "howling at the moon" and plays no relevance in their local atmospheric, weather and general climate conditions whatever they may be?

No, I'm saying China has by far the highest CO2 emissions in the world, with more than one quarter of global emissions. Most of it comes from coal. China both produces and burns more coal than the rest of the world combined.

This consumption has risen steadily since 2000.

You can blame it on stagnant air if you want to but the wind hasn't just miraculously quit blowing in China since then.

Yes - that is true, but what can we do about that? China isn't going to change because we are crying about it. So do we up our emissions standards (lower allowable amounts) to the point that all business relocates to China to make up for their faults? Never mind - we've already done that.

China is changing it's habits: They are investing in huge windmilll parks and solar PV.

But as long as business can rule political decisions "cheap" energy will win over a sustainable approach.

Not doing anything because the neighbour also doesn't do it is the most stupid thing to do.

But in a few years the problem is solved: Farage will help mr. T to cut the whole problem in smaller chuncks, enabling to ditch the worst parts in poverty (just as he did with the Brexit)

the nuts are out in force on this thread

They still produce magnesium and silicon the old-fashioned way, from heating with carbon the oxides. Very massive CO2 footprint.

That may be true, but my point to the North Dakota tire burner was that things have gotten much worse since China, and other countries, have mined and burned millions more tons of coal as they produce more and more cheap stuff to sell to us.

The deniers can say that nothing has changed and all is clean and tidy but it just isn't so and no amount of saying it is will alter the facts.

Well you know how it goes - if you have green grass in your yard but they say their is a drought in the area, things don't look that bad to you.

To improve the climate, eliminate all the politics in the IPCC. Look at how the IPCC is set up, funded and the membership of the Working Group I.

"Go don't get to choose your own facts"- Lyn

So stop it already with doing that.

Coal is not so much a pollution problem, it is the combustion of coal that is the problem. There are ways to do it now where the plant has no stack, I repeat, no stack, only a pipeline full of food grade CO2 that can be done with whatever is appropriate, lawful, and good for mankind.

Pump that CO2 to the oil patch, pump it to the ocean, to a green house, because the world needs food, energy, and sea creatures.

Tell it to the Chinese.

Pump it in the oceans? More acidification? This is good for sea creatures? It's killing off entire food chains and you want to pump more in?

Carbon dioxide is the basis chemical for all life on planet Earth....duh. It increases, so do photosynthetic organisms within the limit of the phosphorus content (the limiting nutrient in 99,999% of living situation in the oceans), then microorganisms eat the algae, or the algae dies off due to overpopulation and turns into oil (quickly).

Most people were taught total nonsense in the public screwalls, and now look at them, do you wish to join the gutted monarchs of the world?

Something else is killing coral, not CO2. I think it might be local temperature variances.

Water your plants with carbonated water for a week and get back with me.

Depends on the soil and plant. Some react rather well to it.

(probably not the answer you were looking for but that's common on these threads.)

But Brondo has electrolytes, its what plants crave.

I sort of forgot to mention that is one disposal method of about 20.

Yes pump it to the deep zones where water is cold, and it dissolves better. Even better is pump it into deep sediment beds.

Dear respected gurus- I think that there are too many evidences for the climate change, but it shouldn't be attributed to the raise of co2 level. why do you ignore DR. SHAVIV theory:

and cosmic-ray hypothesis of climate change. In 2002, Shaviv hypothesised that passages through the Milky Way's spiral arms appear to have been the cause behind the major ice-ages over the past billion years. In his later work, co-authored by Jan Veizer, a low upper limit was placed on the climatic effect of CO₂.^[2]

Again one of those theories that are only there because "mankind can't be the reason"

The same reason the climate change is denialed: we are not to blame.

The question is not if mankind can change the climate rather if you read this relevant article?

doubtless- mankind polluted the atmosphere and the oceans , caused much damage for the next generations.

I think sky scrapers

if they continuously populate the surface and to change the Earth's angular momentum and does slow its rotation or a very strong earthquake will happen. No kidding. If the 24hr period in a day extend 2 or 3 hours, that has a very big impact on climate and weather for sure

No kidding you.

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I really am, no kidding you

Except that we have the problem of scale.

Atomic clocks show that the day is currently longer by about 1.7 milliseconds than it was a century ago. Analysis of historical astronomical records shows a slowing trend of 2.3 milliseconds per century since the 8th century BCE. This is due to the tidal effects the Moon has on Earth's rotation, especially its effect on Earth's oceans.

In other words, about 470 million years for the day to lengthen by three hours due to the Moon's tidal effects.

Now if the Moon's effects amount to no more than 2.3 milliseconds per century worst-case, what effect do you think skyscapers would have on the rate? Picoseconds per millennium? I.e., don't hold your breath.

Not only sky scrapers, there's a substantial material transfer from natural to man-made infrastructures like reclamation sites. They've been hauling a lot of stuff, probably couple of mountains have already been transferred. It just a mass transfer concept on a span of a radius of rotation and it will certainly work slowing down an objects rotation.

As to how much, I do not know. It is a reliable cause other than the CO2 stuff. As far as I know plants or shrubs compensate the increase of CO2. It is more unlikely the reason of global warming and if there is that 'global warming thing".

(sigh)

Please stop drinking alcohol, and drink more coffee before replying, and do get a better Dutch translator, not to insult, because I like you, but please try complete sentences, they work better.

Global warming is an average over many decades. 15 or 20 years is not enough. Yes global warming is happening and will continue unless we get control. Man-caused CO2 is certainly a contributor; it follows that reducing the man-made CO2 will head us back toward what would happen naturally. Instead of "renewable" energy sources, we need to say "low carbon" energy sources so that fast nuclear (zero carbon) will be permitted to be used in the task. Using natural gas instead of coal is not adequate.

The title should be more like, "Global warming confirmed by new method of data adjustment".

What I don't get is how so many are absolutely fixated on it all being 100% us humans fault and that it's all bad yet reality and vast amounts of study and scientific data says contrary.

Certain people scream that the planet is warming yet will not acknowledge the basics when where and how factors behind their precious numbers behind everything they claim is proof then scream again that those who do look at that data and relevance are the ones who are in denial.

WTF? How is looking at the larger picture and placing rational relative quantifiable weight to every known influence and it's when, where and how factors relevant to whether it is a positive or negative influence denial? To me that the very core of being a good unbiased scientist engineer or general intelligent human being and the furthest from denial that a person can get.

1. What we know so far is that we humans by energy output are sub fractionally tiny compared to nature's baseline energy budget. Sub mathematical aggregates tiny.

2. We know our average CO2 output values and those of nature and we know that the average additive or subtractive variances in nature over any given time frame are far greater than our own peak possible contributions. We have influence but no where near what nature's vast amount of other influences have themself.

3. We know there are measurable extraplanetary energy inputs that vary over time for multiple sources such as solar irradiance fluctuations and cosmic energy sources that can have and have had past measurable influence on the planets net energy budget that do greatly effect the overall planetary climate.

4. We know past large scale climate changes have happened and are still happening today such as the huge fact that we are still by every rational measurable scientifically knowledgeable reason coming out of a major Ice Age event where planetary level warming at the rates we see now is well within expected and proven past limits and what is happening now should be expected.

5. We know this is a live active dynamic planet that is and always will be ever changing at every place and time. It's how the system works whether we like it or not.

6. We know certain people have very strong political agendas and will use any and every action, exaggeration and lie they can come up with to influence those who are weak in will, mind and spirit to get their way.

7. We know great claims about our influences and the effects we are going to have have been made and not one has ever came true which for many is a solid proof that those who say we are to blame and that claim they know more than everyone else are obviously fools with an agenda that can't be trusted, being they have been caught repeatedly lying and screwing with their numbers, yet too many still do anyway.

8. We know people will use and have used any and every excuse they can find to take advantage of others if they can get away with it including blaming their problems they cause themselves on others regardelss of the reality that they themselves and their bad decisions are the source of their issues. Like building their civilisation on a ever moving sand bar (atoll) and then saying it's someone else's fault it's washing away.

9. We know that whenever two or more scientifically backed opposing views of a problem are in play that the best scientific action to follow is to do nothing that is known to be negative until more data is available.

10. Not everywhere is bad and getting worse. Much is largely unchanged or has actually improved by the vary standards of who we define good and bad change and that other larger side of the issue is something that needs far more credit and value than its being given.

Yes we humans contribute in some degree to our climate but NO! WE ARE NOT 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF IT LET ALONE ON A GLOBAL SCALE LEVEL. We help as much as we harm but very few want to ever discuss let alone put the effort into ever learning about all the good aspects of our actions. Those actions that hold a very strong counter bias to every negative action we do make and further diminish our actual overall influence and significance in the greater scheme of things.

Everything was just fine until the Russians hacked us!!

I will get interested in this once the method for carbon dating has to be adjusted to account for fossil carbon in current carbon dated samples.

I've mentioned before a survey performed by Carl Palmer of Waterloo University looking at dolomite formation that points towards the earth being 9 degrees below it's historic average.

Add to that NOAA says the ocean is warmer, but the NASA ocean elevation satellite data shows it's not expanding....

You need to take a look at http://journal.sjdm.org/15/15923a/jdm15923a.html

My beef with the rising sea level excuses put forth by people who chose to build their civilizations on low lying aggregate (water action deposited sandbars) based terrain is that there are hundreds of ancient sea dock sites made from stone found on 6 of the 7 continents and every coastline that are hundreds to even thousands of years old that are still very much right at the same water line levels they were then today.

Reason I mention it is that a few years ago I was in Ankara Turkey and visited a ancient seaport in that area and stood on a stone dock work, carved right into bedrock, that was suposedly 1500+ years old and it was still at the same water line elevation level it was when built and that's just one of thousands of ancient seaport stone docks that can be found all over the world that are still yet to be submerged.

How exactly does that work? Are every single one of them in locations that are in perfect geological upheaval rates as the water level is rising or is the water level not actually rising anywhere close to what's being reported?

I think it is the land that is going up and down due to plate tectonics, rather than water rising or falling in the bathtub.

Your job must leave you with a lot of free time.

I am just waiting for the stupid steam part of the cycle to finally get online today before the dispatch window closes.

That is the part I specifically object to is the breaking of the bath tub to make it fit with what they want to happen. Inconsistent observations. Something (actually, a whole lot of somethings) are not adding up, such as cornbread are square, pie are round.

Carbon dating is no longer of any particular relevance to understanding ancient archaeological sites, since we know the ancient aliens came and disturbed the record with their fusion power. (Bull shine).

Warfare in the heavens is another thing we need not worry about, since if an advanced species decided to go to war with us over some slight, it would be over before it started, and we would be blissfully, gratefully dead, with no knowledge whatsoever that it ever happened.

Humanity should get over its collective egotism, since we are not that important in the grand scheme of things, except to one God, and we are all important enough to Him, that He sent in His only son to die in our place. But rejoice, because he rose from the dead three days later, and now sits beside Father God at the hand of his power, his right hand. Right is might, left is sinister.

Diatribe over, over.

I quit reading after your incorrect statement that, "so many are absolutely fixated on it all being 100% us humans fault".

I've never said that.

You can't win with word count.

You can according to Goebbels. His party was, I believe, Democratic Socialist...

Odd how I can generalize and yet you will always take it personally.

As far as word count that's your problem not mine! Not everything can be summed up onto a 140 character twitter post limit so the simple minded people can grasp it.

Is reading long sentences and paragraphs getting too hard for you to deal with or is it more that I tend to make occasional valid points or show some plausible truths that further discredit your views than you care to have to admit to.

A good bit of Ego based filtering to keep you in your 'bitter old man safezone secure' as it maybe? It is well known here to be one of your primary operating modes here when it comes to real science based discussions.

No, your opinions are just that. Your opinions.

I don't see anything "scientific" about your ramblings.

Generally, you have nothing to add that you haven't already flogged near to death so why keep coming back with the same 10,000 word long opinion based on your opinion.

My opinion is your opinion stinks, no matter how long winded it is.

I hope we all live long enough to see the outcome of this. I suspect we are all wrong, and all correct as well. This is a natural cycle of the Earth, as heating and cooling periods have come and gone before, with some human influence. I seriously doubt we can do enough to actually slow this down, now, let alone stop it. I also suspect the dire consequences we've been told are to come, are quite a bit over blown. We humans have a tendency to over state any point we make if we think others may not believe us.