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Piezo electric

09/01/2007 11:41 PM

Hi, i am ryo

i am a student in mechanical engineering department, i have a final project, the topic is about vibration and piezo electric, but there i am still confuse how to find the relation between the applied force and current produced, in some literature i find that piezo electric have 2nd orde of vibration. There for i am still confuse about that.

is someone can help me in this part???

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Re: Piezo electric

09/02/2007 5:30 AM

Maybe get hold of an old fuel injector and a piezo gas lighter and experiment with these. One is driven electrically the other, mechanically.

I'm a bit confused about the vibration thing... I've used piezo discs at resonance to produce ultrasonic power to nebulise liquid.

Are you talking about driving the piezo mechanically or electrically? (Or am I just being dense?)

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Re: Piezo electric

09/04/2007 9:24 AM

well actually my final project is about hang gliding

how to control the hang gliding is very easy

just move your body left or right, mm the point is just move

your center of mass of your body,

and to do with piezo electric i must manipulate the piezo with electric

in this case i use stack type piezo.. still long way to go..

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Re: Piezo electric

09/02/2007 11:57 AM

PLEASE VISIT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity .Confusions will end!

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Re: Piezo electric

09/02/2007 5:27 PM

Visit a website for any one of the vast number of accelerometer manufacturers. PCB Piezotronics, Wilcoxin, Bruel and Kjaer, CTC, Etc.

Wikipedia may (or may not) steer you in the right direction, but I would not rely on it, and many professors detest it. (I am studying for a masters degree and all my profs have made it very clear that wikipedia is not an acceptable source.)

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Re: Piezo electric

09/03/2007 12:21 AM

Hi MegAnthos

I asked a similar question a short while ago and had a very good response from 'Butcher' if you look in that discussion forum you will also get his opinion.

I hope it helps as it is quite a complex area.

KennyT

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Re: Piezo electric

09/04/2007 9:40 AM

hi kennyT

excuse me but what your topic that relate with piezo??

i can't found in mechanical engineering forum discussion


thanks

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Re: Piezo electric

09/04/2007 11:39 AM

Hi MegAnthos

I have a design that relies on 'peizo electricity' in both directions. Ocillation= electricity, and electricity= ocillation. I asked a similar question for the actual calculations that are required and the best crystal formation. "Butcher" pointed out where to go for the answers. The answers are there but you do have to know what you actually want before you can dig in the right direction.

The forum was headed "Piezoelectricity Calculations" so look in the general forum list and you will see the threads so far.

Good luck,

KennyT

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Re: Piezo electric

09/03/2007 10:47 AM

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Re: Piezo electric

09/03/2007 5:57 PM

Piezo devices convert electrical energy into mecanical force and visa-versa. They are anisotropic solids and have different properties in different directions. If you do a Google search under "piezoelectric properties" you will find definitions of each constant. Too much to explain here. The second order you refer to is related to the fact that when a solid vibrates, there are fundamental resonant frequencies as well as higher order vibration modes or overtones. These are defined in any text on vibration. Simple shapes like bars, rods, disks, and plates can be analyzed by simple closed form equations. The Sonalert is an example of a simple piezo bimorph disc that when driven by an oscillator, vibrates at its fundamental resonant frequency(about 2200 hz). Bimorphs are a method of generating amplified motion required to achieve good coupling to air. The motion of a standard piezo shape is too small to move enough air to be heard by the ear. Complex shapes are analyzed with the aid of a computer or by experiment.

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