Stephen Hawking Loss

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Now may his real journey begin

Have you Googled 'out of body experience' - IMHO it's never 'over'.

Please post it here right after you have passed from this world.

We only know what we know.. which is after all.. very little.

Existence is quite a puzzle to have figured out.

Congratulations

hawking was always vocal about his atheist believe. But it Depends how you look at it,... Energy is never disappears, it just changes state.

I don't think he will ever be forgotten either, not for a very long time.

How can there be no memory of a person while the reputation exists? or the other way around for that matter?

By records of exploits of the individual lying outside living memory. There are countless examples that could be brought to bear:

• Isambard Kingdom Brunel
• The Wright Brothers
• George Washington
• Isaac Newton
• King Henry VIII
• etc., etc.

Demise stage 3 cannot be said to have taken place in these examples even though stage 2 has.

Living memory.

Yes.. that's tough to hang on to.

Memory is personal. Reputation is professional.

I thought he was immortal ... I suppose he is immortal, just not his physical instantiation.

Quite.

Pi day

And Albert Einstein's birthday. Coincidence?

Not only does God play dice, but... he sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen. (Stephen Hawking)

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. I shall never believe that God plays dice with the world. (Albert Einstein)

Yes, even atheiests and agnostics are allowed to use the word 'god'. It is at times quite useful.

They are also allowed to use the term 'Humpty Dumpty'. Use of this word also does not demonstrate a belief in the Humpty Dumpty as actual living entity in this reality.

Very sad.

I look forward to how they incorporate this into the storyline on The Big Bang Theory TV show.

He will be missed, for his accomplishments in the field and his guest appearances on the show.

R.I.P. Mr Stephen Hawking.

One more extremely intelligent beautiful mind has been lost.

Your talent will be greatly missed.

P.S.

By the way, I like my Pi with whipped cream.

_{It is fortunate someone with ALS lived as long as he did.}

_{Typical life expectancy after being diagnosed with ALS is up to four years.}

_{Only 10% live longer than 10 years. Hawking live more than 5 decades after diagnosis.}

Apparently, there are several variants of ALS. The average life expectancy is about 2 years, and most patients die when the deterioration of the motor neurons controlling the lungs cause them to suffocate.

But there is considerable variation as the different variants of the disease affect different patients differently. Steven Hawking and the rest of the world are fortunate that his variant allowed him a long lifetime and the disease did not affect the rest of his brain.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stephen-hawking-als/

I wonder if they plans to study his brain, like they did with Einstein. Might find some similarities between the two.

Big compliment to the designer of the life support systems of Hawking. That was a well reputed life out there but quite not comfortable and inconvenience.

What, his drive for scientific discovery and knowledge while trying to further our understanding of the universe?

Yea, we all have that to one extent or another.

Stephen might exchanged his wits and fame with his health. Stephen did not find God but he said there is no God so there is no credit for me with that.

I do not know but I might be rude with that.

I am not so fond with the guy unlike Tesla, Feynman and Einstein but I pitied his stand.

I think he missed the greatest discovery.

If you have been told Einstein had deep religious convictions and relationship with a personal god, you have been the victim of a popular lie.

".... It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. ...." -Einstein

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Here are some more of his thoughts on the matter:

".... "I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. Enough for me the mystery of the eternity of life, and the inkling of the marvellous structure of reality, together with the single-hearted endeavour to comprehend a portion, be it never so tiny, of the reason that manifests itself in nature ...." -Einstein

This last quote is more concise:

"... The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends…. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions..." -Einstein

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It would appear Hawking in his opinion on this matter was far from alone and in great company.

"The lady doth protest too much."

'Youthinks'....

...or, does you?

I definitely disagree!

Yes there is God, even demons believe there is and are shaking. Our perception and senses are limited but deep in our hearts we knew there is. The universe and space are the witness of such an outstanding and superb creation. Equations tells you there is such thing as nothingness and infinite where in we can equate all our working equations into it. Mathematics tells you so. You don't perceive that?

The jews are the witness there is from time immemorial. But the Vatican pollutes us all. Mystical persons wearing apron, robe and hood knew there is God. But don't and can't tell. Deceiving and being deceived.

Hear. hear!

Stephen Fry and you followers assumed you all are wiser and righteous than God. Would you be wiser then that you want to sue God out His misgivings.

If you would add free choice/ freedom to choose death over life and the reverse and due time and season- a portion on this earth, then you would understand that all the shit happens because of it.

There's a time and season for everything. The wicked are given such for it is the only portion they have for all eternity.

Choose life. The contract is a fraudulent. There is only one law giver and one could break any contracts. Those who lose their life because of him finds it.

Only your first sentence appears to be written by a person who understands correct current English sentence structure. Most of the rest make no sense to me at all!

I'm not sure if I had ever heard of Stephen Fry before reading this thread. There is no way I could be considered his follower, but I do agree with the points he makes in the video linked by RedFred.

Maybe his form of communication / sentence writing is like this :

Make a sentence from these words :

Hunter,. Hare,. Field.

Well that certainly proves his point. What other support could the argument need other than some vague quotes of multiply retranslated passages from some duaty old tome portraying an immature, rash semigod, coupled with a video of extrajudicial killings of political rivals cum alledged drug kingpins?

I concede. I guess I'll have to squeeze several hours a week into my schedule to perform the various postures of obeisance and sing the songs to keep the deity's self esteem from getting too low.

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Oh, I guess I really need to confirm here: which particular god am I to be posturing and singing to, again? Oh and which is his prefered posturing/singing style? I hear he is pretty picky.

A bigot is someone who is not tolerant of opposing opinions.

Since when did disagreement become coercion?

Who's the bigot?

Imposing your beliefs onto somebody is forcing that belief onto others. By definition this is coercion. I see by these defensive responses an embarrassing admission that recognizes your actions.

co·erce kōˈərs/ verb

verb: coerce; 3rd person present: coerces; past tense: coerced; past participle: coerced; gerund or present participle: coercing persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats. "they were coerced into silence"

obtain (something) by using force or threats. "their confessions were allegedly coerced by torture"

Don't force your belief on others. Many lives have already been lost in this needless act.

Gutmonarch, you are responsible for the demons you perpetuate.

Speaking of the deceiving and the deceived, to which group do you belong? Were you hoping to deceive future readers into mistakenly believing this argument was about the plausibility of the existence of an Abrahamic god? Or were you yourself deceived by some earlier conditioning that makes you unable to disinguish between discussions of what certain people believe and dicussions of what is probable or possible?

Last question for this post: How strong is your understanding of math, i.e. do you possess Einstein or Hawking level math skills/understanding, because if math really did 'tell us so' (as in suggest the existence of an all powerful, all knowing, all seeing, beneficient creator god), it seems like people with a grasp of math like Einstein and Hawkin might have been something other than agnostic of athiest...right?

I am sorry I am not a starstruck type of guy. I don't use other credits to dispute anyone. Who is Einstein who is Hawking? They are not less or more than us. Afterall, they ate food and shit on the same Earth.

If you be a keen observant then you would find that there is God. The universe and all things runs in a complete perfection. The things we call existence are just a part of these equations.

You specifically credited your opinion as something seen in understanding math. I am call you on that credit by asking you if your understanding of math is comparable to that of Hawkin and Einstein, since they have obviously come to a differeny conclusion than your own.

Perhaps, if you don't feel like you have obtained a level of math familiarity pj par with Einstein and Hawkin, you could just run us through you mathmatical proof for the existence of an Abrahamic god....you know, show us how this has beeen revelealed through via mathmatics.

I am in no way of being sarcastic and assuming brilliant. The simplest representation of God in mathematics can be proven by arithmetic.

0 does represents all (infinite)processes, energy balances, chemical reactions you name it. How could you not comprehend nothingness, perfection and the infinite coexisted. There is eternity. Mathematical equation is the framework and the architecture of the universe wherein all can be equated to zero.

It's undeniably true, all creation points to the works of His. Being perfect having a form of the infinite. One who is not constrained with time and space.

We have certainly no stand to question Him or say He is wrong. What he does and how he wants it to be. 60 or 190 years isn't enough even to disclose the hidden secrets of the universe.

You don't even show a fundamental comprehension of arithmetic.

Really? It runs binary in computers converting to some sorts of digital language. It is just adds and subtracts.

Logic and arithmetic both reside in the field of mathematics but they are not the same thing.

"Logic and arithmetic both reside in the field of mathematics but they are not the same thing."

Who says both are the same thing? They may be different, but coherently they are the fabric of reality.

Hence, 1 duck + 2 chickens cannot and will not be equal to 3 ducks || 3 chickens nor 4 duck || 4 chickens. See.

You can not use either one, both are necessary.

"The simplest representation of God in mathematics can be proven by arithmetic."

Please show us that proof.

I have at least a couple of understandings of the meaning of Zero, but neither (or none) of them correspond to your concept of zero.

First, I am not supporting gutmonarch's belief. That said, I don't know if " proof " or a " proof " can be shown.

I was talking with my nephew Tommy, the one with the PhD in compressed physics. We were talking about math, I asked him if all equations can be worked forward and backward. He said all can be worked forward and you can show " proof " of the equation, but not all equations can be worked backwards, so no proof can be shown. The general idea behind showing proof is that it allows you to check your answer ( that is what I understand ).

A proof would be like:

27÷3=9 , 27÷9=3 , 3x9=27 , 9x3=27 , 9+3=12 x 3 = 36 - 9 = 27 etc.

"... It's undeniably true, all creation points to the works of His. ..."

I, for one, deny that. It is obviously deniable.

One of your claims has been absolutely demonstrated to be false, which is a good reminder that all of your claims should be rigorously vetted before being accepted.

Please don't let me dissuade you from continuing, you provide such a clear demonstration of the absurdity of attempts to substantiate the illogocal with logic.

Please cite just one example of an observation of reality that shows that there is a God.

Your idea of perfection is clearly different from mine!

Before I'll answer that. First, what is reality to you? How do you define it in your terms?

In any physical phenomena prove to me that zero does not exist.

That's easy: Reality is whatever my senses and scientific instruments observe, modified by the realization that some observations seem incorrect until more knowledge of the situation is applied.

An excellent example of that realization is in observing mirages and looming.

I've only once been in a position to observe looming (UP of Michigan, summer of 1970), but of course I've observed mirages many times. In either case, differential temperatures of air cause differential speeds of light, bending of the rays of light such that they enter the eyes from a different angle than the angle to the true position of the objects observed.

Zero does exist, and is an extremely important concept.

Now it's your turn...

In your given definition and in that premise, paranormal activity belongs to your said reality. Isn't it right?

When you say "Zero does exist, and is an extremely important concept." Does it mean you can measure it? Nope you can't. But you believe it existed somewhere up there in space and everything surrounds us actually we know in some point it is there. Hence, zero represent equity either norms and physical logical expressions. For example

F=ma=0; Force

E_out -E_in=0; Conservation of Energy

M_in-M_out=0; Conservation of Mass, so on and so forth..even the second law of thermodynamics is consistent with the conservation of energy accounting all losses.

We know zero existed not because we can measure it. Plainly because it worked. Two objects both 1 kg mass weighed in a balance is not equal to zero in reality. Do you agree? Can you count and weigh the two in sub-sub-atomic scale that those two can be literally and absolutely balanced? No, it can't be done for man and his technology. Not even in a thousand years or more.

Reflect on asymptotes. It extends infinity but never touches Zero.

I do reflect on zero like in arithmetic. Let N= be any number that represents physical unit.

N/inf=0 : True

N=inf*0: True in the premise that one can only measure both zero and the infinite. This is controversial since our books denied such concept as logical. Well, it does for me.

The God of the bible that I believe is very consistent with that concept and criteria.

By logic, being an infinite/eternal and nothing/zero (incomprehensible and not on this physical realm) are the criteria you need to create any physical quantities represented in any numbers or quantity.

God's ultimate gift is free will. That's what make the shits of this world because the sentenced of the wicked is not settled directly yet scheduled in due appointed time. Why? He is merciful, loving, considerate, slow to anger enough to give you time that you might find Him.

He is looking for all of you that are lost and He loves you more than the 99 righteous.

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

"Your ignorance of undergraduate basic knowledge in mathematics and science in general is not just astonishing, it shows your engineering value as rapidly approaching zero." -- ad hominem fallacy

For my love of you, I am restraining myself of directing personal attributes against the matter of concern on this argument.

You would not understand with a complicated approach.

How is it undefined? Please define "undefine"

You don't even understand how to define a pronoun.

No proof there... In respect for Stephen Hawking, I will carry this no further.

"Psalm 90:4 A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night."-- This is a matter of Einstien's Relativity. Isn't it? How did Moses came to a typical description which is in accordance with Einsteins Theory of relativity, considering Moses existed 4k-5,000 years ahead of our era.

Just an amazing revelation, isn't it?

Not a flying spaghetti, definitely not a flying spaghetti. You would all know once you find out when its gone.

Great mind gone. Great that he was able to give what he did to our understanding.

He was reputed to have said that being born on the 300th anniversary of Galileo's death was ominous.

Galileo opened/stretched our eyes to see the heavens, Hawking opened/stretched our minds to explore the heavens.

Interesting thought. As his voice is synthesised, it could in principle be copied anywhere.

A great sentiment but you chose the wrong museum. I think the History of Science Museum in Oxford would be more appropriate.

I wonder how long or soon it will be before someone comes up with a way to make a buck off of his life ?

Like they still do with Elvis.

Fortunately (or unfortunately however you look at it) he wasn't what the average person would think of as a celebrity which should provide a fair amount of protection.

Was Richard Feynman exploited, I don't recall?

www.etsy.com

Tee shirts,

earrings

,beer glasses

,key rings

, hats, etc.

Like a life insurance policy, Feynman is worth more dead than alive.

Now Mr. Hawking will learn if there is a God, but unfortunately he will not be able to communicate his findings.

RIP

Reading the Wiki link has taken up my whole morning.....

Incredible achievements....

...and he (Stephen Hawking) doesn't seem too bothered about losing bets with fellow scientists and admitting he got some of his theories wrong....which itself is a major contribution to science because it channels resources and focuses attention on the 'right' theories.

Geez, I go away for a couple of days and this turns into a religious argument? Stephen would be turning in his grave that what should have been a heart-warming send off on an Engineering discussion site has turned in to this.

For shame.

Just what did you mean by "Stephen would be turning in his grave..."

Is he or isn't he?

That was said intentionally and it all depends on your viewpoint. I don't really want to be drawn into this religious debate that has hijacked this discussion.

I don't think Hawkin nor Einstein would have appreciated their views misrepresented, especially if no one else protested it, were either of them still around to witness.

In hindsight, it would have been more tasteful if I had kept my protest just to the misrepresentation itself and left all claims related to silly myths alone.

Yes, lets all try and keep things respectful.

How about we strive to keep things civil. Respect is earned and many ideas are not worthy. It would disrespect the truly excellent ideas if respect were doled out irrespective of merit.

What started as a discussion... this post turns into what is 18 seconds into this video....