The sun will rise in the west

Another subscriber to the "cosmology is junk" tendency, then?

I'm not telling!

Finland, Finland, Finland.
The place where I'd most like to be...

It's Pitsea for me <splutter>.

It's confusing, Finland. <Burp>

Even worse for sunflowers in summer

The Finns don't have Sunflowers - the heads just twist themselves off as they track the sun. Horizontal trees are a problem as well, that's how the log cabin evolved.

Wonderful northern light. I wish I could see it there sometimes.

Just in case you couldn't access the link cnpower;

That must be one of the greatest sights on Earth. (Somebody will probably correct me and say it's not 'on' Earth because it's up in the sky ! )

Kris,

It's not 'on' Earth because it's up in the sky !

It's from earth.

cr3

europium, HELP !!

Hi Charles & Kris,

Aurorae are caused by charged particles from the Sun striking the Earth's upper atmosphere at very high velocities. Aurorae occur most often near Earth's magnetic poles where the field is stronger and nearly perpendicular to the surface. The particles spiral down the field lines and follow them into the atmosphere, ionizing it and producing the beautiful colors we see. For the most part, the particles themselves don't produce the bulk of the auroral light. Rather, the light comes from ionized oxygen and nitrogen in the upper atmosphere as these gases recombine with the electrons ejected by the collisions.

So, I guess it's a toss-up: the light comes from the atmosphere, but the reason for it originates with the Sun.

e-man

Thanks e, but... like, I wanted an argument dammit ! Now you've come down on the fence and dispenced wisdom ! What is the source of the energy that produces this light ? That would be the sun ultimately ? Now I've forgotten how I originally worded it ! It's only when observed by the human eye that it exists..........._{system f ailure imin ent}...._{excus e me wh ile I go d efra g.......}

The pic is beautiful, but its only a real scene composed by some 3D software.

It's hard to tell with some of the pictures of the aurora, the colours are so strange.

Hi Cnpower,

I tend to think this pic is real. I've seen many aurorae much more beautiful than this one, and in similar settings.

That was my thought as well, but I wasn't sure enough to say it. The picture was taken from the web-site I linked to previously ( In Finland). I was so staggered that I looked around the web for a few more, and they were all equally astounding. The problem is that modifying photo's is so easy, and the web so expansive, it's hard to tell what is 'true'. I've never seen the aurora. Occasionally it can be seen from Scotland, but never when I've been there at the right time. The most northerly place in Finland can see it 200/365 days. I'd love to be there on one of them. Perhaps if I get lucky with a week or so to spare I might get to see it. It certainly ranks as on of those 'must see before you die' type things. People I've spoken to tell me it's every bit as amazing as the pictures you see in magazines etc.

e - Does light pollution kill off this view as much as it does watching the stars ? What I mean is, in say 10 years, will the view diminish ?

Only if they turn on too many lights locally - and the sorts of Fins most likely to do that would be attached to people living in that city at the bottom of the Puerto Rican trench.

Fyzzess 1st (Aka Joe Cover)

There is an essential problem here, isn't there..

My wit is more honest than yours ?

I could state the obvious joke, but I'll leave it, For now.

Fyzzess

I'm confused, what's all this about?

Fyz is 1st (that should be last, but it the sound was wrong).

Me too. I'll message you.

Yes, but is there a chance your wit has been doctored-up by Photoshop?

Guests only have 50% wit, because....

Anyway's I was wanting to find you. I was all set to ask about life on Europa instead of pratting around with Mars, and who do I find has been there already ? Yes, exactly. Get it together man and ignite a thread about fish on Europa ! Where are we most likely to find crab-like things ? I defer to your knowledge. The gauntlet is down. (ectually it's a rather fetching suede, but that's another matter)

Fetching a gauntlet to be sued is original, but succeeding in having it sent down - now that would make legal history. Or is it a virtual or pseudo gauntlet?

Sorry, that must be the dyslexia re-emerging- time I took a nap

Fyz

Maybe you could just 'nap' without the took bit ?

Where is Kay?

It gone missing. Blame Maclean or one of the others. Fear is the Kay.

Did you have some bad experiences at the harbour, then?

At one time vermin was driving a Bathyscaphe* in his quote line. My frequent laughing at his comments turned to hyper-ventilation, and so I now have associational panic attacks whenever I see him around. Luckily my ever handy sick-bag can also function as a Carbon Dioxide breather. At one time there was a Russian sub in Folkestone harbour, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a Typhoon class - the harbour had some water left in it.

* I think this was the spelling variant the v used, there's several to choose from.

A bathyscaphe (you spelled it right)? Jeeze, I haven't heard that word in a long time! My fave was the Trieste.

You wouldn't believe how hard is was to find when you don't know how it's spelled!!! I think the Trieste and possibly one other was made, and eventually purchased by the US Navy.

You gotta admit you can go pretty far on those 40,000 litres (?) of gas!

I'm tempted to divert to the kursk, but that may get technical/serious/conspiracy etc.

What happens if someone farts in a Bathysacaphe, and where's the 'bathroom' ?

You tell me?!

It's obvious why it never caught on - there's no BBQ on the poop-deck.

The poop deck is under some 36,000 feet of water! I dare you to get a briquette to burn there!!!

It's one big bathyroom (sorry if I'm being too obvious or missed someone else's point)

I'd move my bowels as well at 36,000 feet!!!

Press the 'Rate' button and read what the popup says. If you like the post on which you found the button, press the 'Good Answer' radio button. If you feel the post is off-topic, press the 'Off-Topic' radio button. Personally, I don't see why the two radio buttons must be mutually-exclusive. I've read some priceless posts that were entirely off-topic and well-worth the read.

If you think the post sucks AND you think it is on-topic, don't select anything.

When you're satisfied with your choice (you can always change your mind), press 'Add Vote' or press 'Cancel' if you decide not to rate the post. After you press a radio button you can de-select it only by pressing the other radio button. You can't de-select both radio buttons at the same time. Press the 'Cancel' button instead.

You've been on this forum for some time and you've probably seen some posts having a green "thumb-up" symbol. When a post accumulates enough 'Good Answer' points, the symbol appears on that post and the poster wins the fawning admiration and envy of fellow CR4 members and guests.

When a post accumulates enough "Off-Topic" points, the poster is shot. Just ask Kris. Mwahahaha.

When a post accumulates enough "Off-Topic" points, the poster is shot. Just ask Kris.

LOL ! Just to demonstrate this further cnpower : I am going to post this with the " Yes, this comment is very likely to be considered off topic" box ticked. It is already ticked by default since I am replying to an 'off-topic' post. Next I will cast a vote for europium making his shown rating a 4 instead of 5 and vote negative on my own post making it 6 (instead of the default 5 which will happen in this situation) . If europium gets enough votes, his post will no longer appear as 'off topic'. In your user profile I think you have the option to select how all posts appear in a thread ( eg all 'collapsed' etc). It's not possible to vote the same way twice for an individual post. My suggestion is to experiment a little - it's the aggregate score on individual posts that is more important.

I thought they were lining up for autographs !

Anyway, if I do get shot, my last request will be that the firing-line stand in a circle.

And facing outward!!!

But then again, you'll probably ask them why they're calling you an ass instead of an arse, and they'll shoot you anyway.

They'd shoot me for being pedantic about the lack of a bath in the bathroom ! They can also shoot my ass, but not my dog - I'd have to write a blues/country song if they shot Ol' Blue.

I don't know about jolly ol' fecal covered England, but bathrooms in the US usually have a bath and/or shower built in, thus the nice name!

So in American restaurants, why do people seem to go to the bathroom ? It must be the wine;

Hi Cnpower,

I still think the pic is real. It is likely a short time-exposure as well. Aurorae often move (looking much like glowing 'curtains') and look slightly blurred in this pic. My guess is that the shutter was open for a few seconds. Aurorae come in all colors, but intense green is sometimes seen as in this picture. They can also look deep ruby red, purplish-white, white, and sometimes magenta (purple). Sometimes the color changes. Sometimes aurorae are pretty much stationary. Sometimes they move very quickly like a flag waving. Sometimes they shimmer.

I'm guessing the orange glow could either be from distant city lights or from sunset. Modern street lights these days are generally high-pressure sodium. You can tell because they have an orangish cast.

My guess is that the white light on the snow-covered trees (not mountains) is probably moonlight. It looks unusually bright probably from the extended exposure time.

The landscape and trees look artificially smooth because they are covered in powder snow. The Colorado mountains sometimes look like this after a major snowfall. Powder snow can look fake if you've never seen it before. Powder also makes for the best skiing!

I wish it would be real as well. however it occur at normal web site.
go on e-man,

aurora has diferent color its true.
suppose the moonlight light the tree. I believe they are tree, how about ground color? I know these heavy snowfall and we often have in winter.
sodium lamp wuld shed near yellow color I thnk. the orangish color would be sunset.
hemay use a telelens, for there is verydeep field deep.
next...

Hi cnpower,

Sodium lamps come in two flavors: low-pressure and high-pressure. The low-pressure kind emit an almost pure, monochromatic yellow light. Pure yellow.

The high-pressure lamps, on the other hand, emit a broader spectrum having a dominant wavelength in the orange part of the spectrum (there's some blue and some other, fainter colors mixed in as well). They look orangish, and very distinctly so in contrast with the low-pressure kind.

I can't speak for your neck of the woods (China), but here in the US the high-pressure kind are by far the most common just about anywhere you go.

Have you ever been in a parking lot looking for a particular color car under low pressure sodium lights? Every car is just a shade of gray!

Also, very unhappy to report that while europium glows under 532nm laser light, europium oxide does not! Perhaps I'll try mixing it with aluminum powder and 100% ethnal... That should get something interesting started!!!

you are behind color glasses.

you can only see wood poles in museum, even in a small vallige use eithe cement poles or matal poles for hi pressure street lamps. we call that kind of lamp as sve energy lamp.

there maybe some lamp fixture made in china in your city. include much of high pressure sodium lamp.

I'm possibly misinterpreting the picture (again), but the shadows of the higher trees do not immediately look disproportionately longer than those of the lower trees. If that is right, it's a lamp that is very high up and quite distant. (Given the apparent slope of the hill and the northerly position, I'm not certain the moon ever appears high enough to produce these shadows, so my guess is either a working light on a very high gantry, or a source at the top of a nearby hill).

Correction or better ideas anyone?

Where I live, we often get orange back-scatter (such as you marked as "s") from low in the sky (i.e. on the far side from the setting sun, though often not absolutely opposite).

The "carpet" is probably snow as Europium suggests. The snow-bent conifers certainly look like strange rock structures in this light - and one or two of them may be just that.

These parts of Finland are as unusual in their geology, their climate and just about everything else as well. Unfortunately I haven't been to this particular location yet (perhaps it's something to look forward to).

we are all looking at snow covered growth aren't we?

cr3

OK, this explains it! It's not Finland at all. It's Colorado!!!

Well it can't be Boulder City - I don't see Mork or Mindy !

Oh, hang on, is that Denvershire or something ? All I know is that they have some big goal posts there. Fonz is up by the Lakes isn't he ? Dang, I just jumped the shark.

Presumably there was/is an industrial town in Taiwan called "USA" (yep, all caps). The town used to go by another more traditional sort of Taiwanese name, but apparently the townsfolk all got together and decided that if their products were marked "Made in USA" they'd sell better!

For my part, I probably would've picked the name Germany or Japan, or something along those lines. Certainly not USA. Do we still manufacture anything here?

We manufacture wars and rumors of wars!

Who called you "Kris not literally" . Tell me Del and I'll hunt 'em down !

Oh no, now I've called you "Del and I'll........" Aghhhhhh.

I beleive he said to call him "Suspiciousifyoulike"

Who is "he said to call him "Suspiciousifyoulike"" ?

Well, like I just said, 'Who' is............

"Knock, knock"

"Who's there ?"

"Tony."

"Tony who ?"

Yes, politics can be cruel.

English title: "Around the World in Eighty Days" (Jules Verne)

Good book indeed!

The film documentary by Michael Palin* was even better. You don't even need the language to like it/understand- he went around the globe meeting all sorts of people ( rarely speaking the same language) and it was a great cultural insight. He followed on with another series called 'Pole to Pole' which also had great film footage and cultural insight.

* Palin is one of the often spoken of Monty Python team of comedians. It probably doesn't get shown in China.

That book is also good fun though, as is the film of it with David Niven.