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Weep Holes in Gravity Retaining Walls

05/18/2019 3:14 AM

Dear sirs,

How the distance of weep holes between gravity retaining walls is decided?

I read somewhere it is 0.45 cm, but somewhere it is written as 1.5 metres.

Is the configuration of weep holes is triangular?

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Re: Weep holes in gravity retaining walls.

05/18/2019 3:32 AM

..."The recommended distance between weep holes is 450 mm. From engineering point of view, weep holes relieve hydrostatic pressure or water pressure on walls. This reduces the structural design demand of the water and earth pressure by reducing thickness as well as reinforcement requirement."...

https://theconstructor.org/structures/weep-holes-retaining-walls-types-functions-need/17049/

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02/10/2020 4:19 AM

.Right , Normally drain holes or pipe is kept at distance of 450 mm. From engineering point of view, weep holes relieve hydrostatic pressure or water pressure on walls. This reduces the structural design demand of the water and earth pressure by reducing thickness as well as reinforcement requirement."...

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Re: Weep holes in gravity retaining walls.

05/18/2019 7:36 AM

450 mm ≈ 1.5 feet = 18 inches (Neither 0.45 cm nor 1.5 m.)

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05/18/2019 9:25 AM

0.45 cm sounds like the hole diameter. I'm sure you meant 0.45 meters. I would suspect the spacing would depend on climate and soil type.

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Re: Weep Holes in Gravity Retaining Walls

05/18/2019 9:45 AM

You should contact a civil engineer. Be prepared to answer many relevant questions about this wall that you haven't told us, like; What is this wall made of? Where will this wall be? Will an additional load be placed above or below the wall after construction?

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05/18/2019 11:57 AM

This is a gravity type of retaining wall - ,in random rubble masonry wall.

I am concerned how the weep holes should be located?

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05/18/2019 7:43 PM

Unless the gaps in the random rubble are filled with mortar, there are already plenty of weep holes.

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05/18/2019 8:53 PM

The use of the word masonry indicates that the random rubble is stuck together with some type of mortar.

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05/18/2019 9:22 PM

True but why should one worry about weep holes when the retaining wall has already existed in the Gobi desert for the past millennia?

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Re: Weep Holes in Gravity Retaining Walls

05/18/2019 11:46 AM

How is this related to ELECTRICAL Enginnering again?

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05/20/2019 7:10 AM

Perhaps the holes on the circuit board that controls the <...Weep Holes in Gravity Retaining Walls...> are at <...0.45cm...> centres. Who knows (rhetorical question - NNTR)?

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05/18/2019 12:28 PM

Does it freeze in your climate? Rain much?

Consider run off and French drains.

Weep holes will make you cry if inadequate regardless of spacing.

I've seen examples of entire properties shifting and sliding while the retaining wall fails.

A few hundred grand to repair on the low end.

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Re: Weep Holes in Gravity Retaining Walls

05/19/2019 3:07 PM

40 years ago I built a retaining wall with interlocking cement blocks. They interlocked horizontally, and the interlock lets water leak through. I laid them without mortar and built a chain-link fence on top of it. Where the fence posts went (and a few other places), I put concrete all the way down to the footing. It cracked in an area where there is no internal concrete, but is still standing and looks good after 40 years.

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05/20/2019 3:08 AM

<...0.45 cm...>3/16in. For a <...weep hole...>. Really?

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05/23/2019 5:13 AM

That's a "sieve".

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Re: Weep Holes in Gravity Retaining Walls

05/20/2019 10:21 AM

Finally, a subject to which I can contribute!

The purpose of weep holes is to avoid the build up water behind the wall. A build up of water has two negative consequences. The first is it acts as a lubricant for stone and soils that may be locked into place by their friction with adjacent particles. This can lead to increased soil loads the wall has to carry. The second, and definitley related, is the addition of a hydrostatic pressure on the backside of the wall.

Contrary to some of the post I read here, a gravity wall does not have to be a segmental wall. Though, to be fair, that is what is usually interpreted. A gravity wall relys solely on the moment created by the weight of the wall and the width of the wall to counteract the overturning force caused by the soil pressure and the wall height.

A segmental wall could relieve water through the joints in the segments. Depends upon the design. But this can be unsightly. A sub-grade drainage system that collects water and discharges it at designed locations can greatly improve aesthetics.

A solid gravity wall definitely needs a point to discharge accumulated water.

Typicall, the subgrade drainage system is perforated pipe. Thus, the weeps also tend to be circular. But if you are utilizing open graded rock as your collection and conveyance medium to transport and discharge water that may be behind the wall, the shape of the weep is immaterial.

There is really no rule-of-thumb as to how frequently weep holes should be spaced. But, obviously, the more frequent, most likely, the better your "back-wall" system of collecting, conveying, and discharging water from behind the wall will perform.

If your wall is a segmental wall, it seems likely that you will have a geotextile on the backside of the segments. This fabric prevents soil and rock particles from being transported away from the backside of the wall with the flow of water. This geotextile fabric can, over time, start to blind by the many pores in the facric being filled in by small soil particles. Thus, the reason to have the behind the wall water collection, conveyance, and discharge system. In other words, weeps are still a preferred design option.

Not so important is the spacing. What is important is the elevation of the weeps. Try to keep them near the toe of the wall. This is the best location to avoid the build up of water behind the wall.

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05/20/2019 10:48 AM

That is a Great Answer.

You added a few more critical questions to be answered by the OP while adding a reasoned, detailed explanation of why those unknown details need to be answered to produce a sound, engineered reply. You also pointed out the peril of applying blind, cookie-cutter answers.

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Re: Weep Holes in Gravity Retaining Walls

05/20/2019 11:51 AM

Spacing of weep holes is largely a judgement call.

It is not uniformly a distinct distance, unless local Codes prescribe one.

Based on peak conditions, they can be designated to be closer.

Otherwise, it's up to the judgement of the Registered Civil Engineer, and yes, I am one...

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