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Calculating weld strength

10/24/2007 9:46 AM

I would like to calculate the min. tensile strength, yeild strength, and torsional strength of a weld joint. What formulas would I use for the following.

Given ER80S-D2 filler metal- Yield Strength(PSI)=95,000 Tensile Strength(PSI)=110,00

The weld joint is a complete penetration V-Groove with a 1.38 inch groove depth and a 40 degree included angle. The pipe has an OD of 8" and inside ID of 5.28"

Do I need additional information to calculate, can i just calculate the area and use the YT, TS above. What about torsional?

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10/25/2007 4:18 AM

Please refer to Specification: Welding of Piplines and Related Facilities, API 1104 -1999 (to be read with errata dated October 31, 2001) Element # 5.6: Testing of Weld Joints - Butt Welding. The method of preparing test coupon is described in element 5.6.2.1 and testing method in element 5.6.2.2. Tensile Strength Test Specimen shown in Fig-4 is with weld re-inforcement un-removed, which gives the tensile load with re-inforcement on of whole piece. If you want to apply tensile load concentrated on to weld deposit only and not on the whole strip (coupon) do it with reduced section tensile test and get the load reading direct from the tensile machine. Reduction of coupon's width should be perfectly centered to weld root. Please make sure that you do not depart from dimensional requirement of Specification. A. W. Siddiqui

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10/25/2007 4:39 PM

Useful information, but I am just trying to find the estimated YS, UTS, and torsional strength of the weld joint as defined through calculation.

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10/25/2007 5:03 AM

To evaluate the weld strength (tensile, yield, elongation & toughness) you are requested to take a samples from the coupon test pipe in according to the dimensions and locations determined by the code you fellow.

For example, according to API 1104, the 8" NPS requires preparing the following samples from the coupon test pipe:

2 samples for nick-break test,

2 samples for root or side bend test,

2 samples for tensile test, and

2 samples for face or side bend test.

The tensile test can be carried out by a test machine featured by means of automatically plotting the stress strain curve, where you can easily find yield stress, ultimate tensile stress, and fracture stress. The elongation can be measured. The area underneath the curve represents the toughness.

Stress in psi = Force in lb / Area in in2

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10/25/2007 5:41 AM

Mr. Abdel Haleem Gala,

Please mention make and model of tensile testing machine you are refering.

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10/25/2007 9:41 AM

Abdel,

Is there a formula/method to roughly estimate torsional strength?

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10/26/2007 1:27 AM

G81,

I'd like you to know that the torsional strength is a shear strength. And I think it can be determined experimentally, or can be assumed as a percent from the allowable tensile strength of material.

According to ASME code, the shear strength can reach 75% of the allowable tensile strength of material.

I think, from my point of view, the torsional shear strength can be assumed to be not more than 35-45% of the allowable tensile strength of material. If there is a code you used in design, I prefer to fellow its recommendations.

Important note. The allowable tensile strength of material is not its tensile strength nor its yield strength, there is a factor of safety depends on the code used in design.

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03/13/2008 1:45 PM

G81,

I was just page through CR4 when I came accross this, and I by no means am taking credit for this.

Abdel is very knowledgable and practical, for what its worth I came across a lifting lug program, based as per ASME Lifting Lug Calculation, do not remember where I found it, but it was published, (could be from this forum) that has these, I wrote it in excel.

check it out. hope you can read this.

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10/25/2007 6:58 AM

The strength of a complete penetration weld joint should at least equal the strength of the base metal. Procedure qualification tests by the various codes are intended to confirm that the intended weld procedure can produce welds with the intended design strength, but designers typically use the base metal strength to calculate the strength of structural joints with full-penetration welds. Fillet and partial penetration welds have reduced strengths owing to the stress-riser notch effects in the weld geometry. The exact amount of reduction in the design strength for these types of welds will vary with the given design code, but typically the reduction factor for fillet welds is on the order of 50% or so.

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10/25/2007 8:51 AM

Your numbers do not match ER80S-D2 tensile strength is 80 kpsi minimum not 110 area X psi X joint efficiency = strength

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10/25/2007 8:58 AM

The 110 (as welded) is what the manufacturer has listed for typical mechanical properties, but I understand what you are saying (80min). What do you mean joint efficiency?

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10/26/2007 3:27 AM

I agree with " One test worth thousand openion of experts".

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10/25/2007 12:00 PM

Lincoln Arc Welding Institute has an excellent book, Design of Welded Structures, by Omar Blodgett. It used to sell for only $6.00. I expect it's gone up from that, but it will still be one of the best bargins you'll ever find in a design text. It explaines how to size welds by calculating the load per inch of weld. Do a google on Lincoln Arc Welding Institute.

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11/05/2007 2:57 PM

You might check The "Welding Handbook", American Welding Society first. There are many texts available that treat the problem froma theoretical point of view B.E. Rossi's "Welding Engineering" is a typical source. ASME literature is available on the subject. As an example:

If you are checking Circumferential Butt Weld Stress with Combined Shear and Axial Stress; the Resultant Reduced Stress (MPa,psi) equals the square root ( Normal Stress squared) plus (3 times the Shear Stress squared).

The assignment of safety factor and consideration of Stress Concentration; Metallurgical changes due to the welding process; Surface purity; and Residual Stress must be examined. Of course, the final proof of theoretical to actual weld performance is proved in testing the weld sample.

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