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Looking For A Coating To Resist Salt Water

11/12/2007 2:14 PM

Hi Folks!

I'm looking for a coating material, that will resist salt water permutation (is that the right word?). I'm making a pressure sensor, and need it to work in salt water, without electrically shorting the wirebonds. I would be interested in either/both a gel or conformal coating solution.

Any suggestions out there?

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Re: Looking For A Coating To Resist Salt Water

11/12/2007 11:18 PM

Wrong word. You are probably thinking of permeability or penetration. Neither is exactly correct. Salt water molecules can be said to migrate through a permable membrane or leak through a porous coating. Or coatings break down through corrosive or galvanic activity.

In any case, have you even tried looking for conformal coatings or is this your first try at a solution. Like getting us to do your home work. < grin> A google query on "conformal coating" yielded 678,000 hits. ranging from definition of, to applications by, to brand names.

Any reason why you don't encase the pressure sensor in a hermetically sealed enclosure? If its a solid state type pressure sensor, why not use any one of a dozen readily available conformal coatings after wiring it. If re-entry of case is a criteria - as implied by asking about gels - then you must expect this to require service or re-calibration on a periodic basis.

Like so many other questioners on the list, you ask the list members to provide a design solution for you without giving adequate parameters on which to base a recommendation.

what problems do you have with existing coatings available to you? Or are you located in some remote part of the world where conformal coatings are unheard of?

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Re: Looking For A Coating To Resist Salt Water

11/13/2007 1:32 AM

There was a guy several years ago that supposedly synthesized the glue that mussels use to stick themselves too rocks. Supposedly, nothing would stick to it and he was trying to market it as a Hull coating. Any info on that?

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Re: Looking For A Coating To Resist Salt Water

11/13/2007 9:00 AM

Add copper powder to any glue or epoxy and you will have a material that will prevent mussel and algae growth. The oxide of copper, "cuprous oxide" is poisonous to almost all marine life. The Army Corp of Engineers have been spraying copper straight onto structures for that exact reason. Its been working ever since the first copper clad wooden ships.

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Re: Looking For A Coating To Resist Salt Water

11/13/2007 3:43 AM

If all else fails try a condom and a cable tie to hold it on.

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11/13/2007 5:00 AM

I saw a survival show where a person filed a condom with water and made a lens to start a fire.

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Re: Looking For A Coating To Resist Salt Water

11/13/2007 8:07 AM

For starters, I'd look at a methylene bis(4-isocyanatocyclohexane) - hydroxybutadiene polyol resin. Contact Sartomer for a source of hydroxybutadiene polymers. The "rubber" soft-segment portion of the molecule should stand up to salt water for a very long time.

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Re: Looking For A Coating To Resist Salt Water

11/13/2007 8:12 AM

There are many organic coatings as well as hermetic packages that will resist saltwater. If you have done any wreck diving, you will appreciate that there is no long term solution to this problem.

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Re: Looking For A Coating To Resist Salt Water

11/14/2007 7:33 AM

You might try Dow Corning 3145 RTV. It is a MIL grade silicone sealant. I've used this in the past on marine applications (control panel wiring, switches...etc) to seal from salt water (although mostly splash). I don't see it for long-term, but might be worth a shot.

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Re: Looking For A Coating To Resist Salt Water

11/15/2007 12:28 PM

There are a number of polyurethane sealants on the market that might work for you. Some are re-enterable, once I saw an electrical lineman using one based on a castor oil urethane. Check with Caschem - if the company has not changed names.

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Re: Looking For A Coating To Resist Salt Water

07/23/2009 3:23 PM

I don't know if this will work for you. Google this for more info :

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