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How Stupid is this Respect My COVID Space Idea?

03/07/2021 9:33 AM

I get really upset when people walk past me about 3 feet away, when there is ample space to leave the 2 meter gap.

So I decided to make a respect my covid space hat:-

Although this looks as though it has worked, you can’t see the circle in daylight. The line is actually very narrow, but because I can’t stand still and this is a very long exposure you can see multiple lines.

This is the hat and “holder”

The holder

I used a laser diode and a rotating mirror at an angle: it’s supposed to be 22.5°, but I think it’s probably closer to 25° (maybe I was subconsciously compensating for the fact that I’m a short arse).

I could have used three AAs but I decided to use an 18650 with a BMS (battery management system)

I just use the plug as the on/off switch; the power supply to recharge the cell uses a similar plug.

I tried a 5mW laser initially, but, it could hardly be seen in a darkish room with the hat on the floor. At least the 100 mW one can be seen reasonably indoors. (There is an astonishing difference between normally lit indoors and daylight.)

Now, although I thought the rotating mirror was a really neat solution, I think that it might be better to use, say 40 of the 5mW units (about $10 worth) arranged around the rim of the hat; that would give about one dot per foot.

Does any one have any other ideas?

Feel free to say that the whole idea is stupid.

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03/07/2021 2:05 PM

I think I'll just wait to get vaccinated before socializing...

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03/13/2021 4:41 PM

Hey already a 2.0 model....!

"ROTTERDAM, Netherlands, March 2, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- Inspired by the light of the sun, and scientific research which proves that a new specific light can safely clean up to 99.9% of the coronavirus, Studio Roosegaarde launches the world's first Urban Sun."

This appears to be a get-rich-quick scheme....I don't know of any 222nm light source that bright....doesn't seem to be any working model, just a concept...Ill conceived poor design = scam....

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/worlds-first-urban-sun-cleans-public-space-of-coronavirus-for-better-human-gatherings-301238844.html

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03/16/2021 11:35 AM

The bright visible light comes from above and is separate from the UVC producing globe, which hangs below, to give a visible indication of the active area.

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03/07/2021 3:47 PM

Maybe hoop skirts will come back for the ladies...

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03/07/2021 4:00 PM

Done...

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03/10/2021 2:24 AM

That's going to get grubby really quickly.

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03/10/2021 12:42 PM

I believe that image is dripping with satire

(Courtesy of the Piranha Brothers. )

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03/09/2021 4:08 AM

Why don't her legs reach the ground?

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03/09/2021 8:38 AM

They do. You are assuming she's standing on her feet.

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It's a hovercraft!

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03/07/2021 6:37 PM

This is probably an urban legend but I heard somebody carried a baseball bat with them and swung it when people got too close.

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Saw that in Washington Jan 6

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03/07/2021 10:58 PM

According to the CDC at: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html, the best guess Infection Fatality Ratio (IVR) is very low:

0-19 years: 0.00003
20-49 years: 0.0002
50-69 years: 0.005
70+ years: 0.054

The above figures are for the general population that includes unhealthy people. If you are truly healthy, you will not die from COVID-19. There is a risk factor involved. If you are truly healthy, your risk of dying from COVID-19 is zero.

There is much extremism that is not good for our psychological health as people are being made made afraid of being around others when they don't need to.

If people would address the problem from a objective scientific view where the importance of nutrition and lifestyle choices were disseminated, the pandemic would be properly mitigated. Very few people seem to know that approximately 70% of our immune function is in our intestinal tract. So the health of our intestinal microbiome is a very important factor for not only COVID-19 but other diseases.

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03/08/2021 5:36 AM

Not everyone is vulnerable because of life style choices: both my wife and son are very healthy and fit, but, are considered CEV (Clinically Extremely Vulnerable) (shielded) because of hereditary conditions. My son inherited his problem from my side of the family, so, you can't pin both problems on the same statistical piece of bad luck.

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03/08/2021 5:37 AM

There are a lot more things to consider than just you dying, and that's infecting somebody else who does, for one, another is the expense of being hospitalized, and being so sick you wish you were dead...so it's not so black and white as you represent here...There is a lot of ground between healthy and dead that are extremely unpleasant...there's also a lot of after-the-fact complications that can drag on for months...There is no shortage of people who have been in hospitals with minor problems only to catch a HAI and suffer life altering results, even though they didn't actually die....Guarding your health is not something to be taken lightly...and 10k deaths a day may be a small percentage, but it's a huge number....

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03/08/2021 4:26 PM

I would like to suggest that you listen to Dr. David Rasnick's talk...

I have heard at least one other doctor say some of the same things he said. There is a lot of money involved regarding the pandemic that people are not aware of so it's best not to believe those that have a stake in some financial related aspect of the COVID debacle and rather the independent scientists and medical doctors.

There is a saying that "money talks" and it certainly is a growing issue, not only with COVID but other scientific related research papers. There are many government industry "captured" agencies that do the bidding of industry.

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03/08/2021 8:05 PM

'Dr. M'? Really? Is that where Dr. Q got his info about pedophile pizza?

The power of money should never be ignored. But embedded in that statement is the fact that we shouldn't pick which money influences we pay attention to, based only on our personal biases.

For example: Let's say you don't believe in 'global warming' because some scientist will get a bigger government grant, and you read a study that said it isn't real. Did you ask who funded the study? Could it have been paid for by a coal & petroleum consortium? If you're old enough, you know that doctors (paid by the tobacco industry) used to say on TV that smoking was good for you....

So, yeah, follow the money. Where ever it leads.

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Apropos of your post: Premier of Ontario, Doug Ford (equivalent to Governor in the States) owns the printing company that supplies the warning stickers, markers, and signage related to government enforced Covid-19 protocols, so the longer his government maintains those protocols, the better it is for his business.

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03/09/2021 9:57 AM

I've heard from a reliable source.....

I've heard a doctor say....

I head the tooth fairy is coming to your house......

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This SHOULD set off anyones BS detector.

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03/09/2021 11:40 AM

I don't think that's a very good site to support your belief: Robert F Kenedy Jr. has the phrase "conspiracy theorist" attached to his name almost every where; Del Bigtree produced one of the biggest fraudsters, Andrew Wakefield's film vaxxed; I'm not going to look any further down the list, but I bet bet hey're all charlatans.

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OK, you specifically asked us to listen to David Rasnick's talk so I decided to look him up:-

"David William Rasnick (born 1948) is an American biochemist known for his association with the AIDS denialist movement, which denies the fact that HIV is the cause of AIDS

So, I'm not going to believe anything he says.

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03/10/2021 10:37 AM

It is difficult when the ignorant people really believe they are smarter than the rest of the world and just keep digging the hole deeper and deeper.

There's that I. Asimov quote again, "Democracy DOES NOT mean your ignorance is as good as my knowledge."

In my practice I taught "The Rule Of Holes" to my clients.

(it is important to understand that a large numbe of people seeking mental health help are really dealing with the discordance of a held belief (not imperical fact) that is not compatible with their reality (imperical fact). It is simple cognitive dissonance taken to unhealthy levels. If left untreated the persons entire world will fall apart. Relationships will end, even those with children and parents that is how damaging being basically, fundamentally wrong can be. Jobs will be lost, friends disappear, less wholesome "friends" appear. These are all social signals you have left the path and are lost, if left unattended the sufferers life will fall apart or worse yet, strike back at them. Think Jan 6th this year.)

Rule #1: When you find you are in a hole, STOP DIGGING. NO ONE has EVER dug themselves OUT of a hole. Holes are solved by FILLING not DIGGING.

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03/13/2021 7:41 AM

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"

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03/11/2021 6:07 AM

It's self evidently not serious unless you personally die...
Sheesh, the breadth of your stupidity is breathtaking.
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03/07/2021 11:56 PM

To me your effort is appreciated as engineering application but why to make this, as Covid-19 will not catch you with in a second if some one crosses you within six. Better to stay home.

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03/08/2021 12:58 AM

Does it also re-grow hair?

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03/08/2021 1:23 AM

Cool.

Is there a type of holographic imaging hat available where you could project the 2 meters without being seen wearing a yellow cap ?

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03/08/2021 4:14 AM

Wearing a hat with a sign flashing "I am COVID POSITIVE", might really work better!

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03/11/2021 3:37 AM

A hat saying: "I am HAGS infected" might work better.

When they ask what is HAGS,tell them it is Herpes,Aids,Gonorrhea and Syphilis.

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03/08/2021 6:37 AM

Would it be disrespectful to suggest adding a little tin foil to the hat just to make sure you have all your bases covered?

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03/08/2021 8:26 AM

wrong laser. if you really want people to stay away use a CO2 laser.

but truthfully, its all bull crap. no need for hats, bats, dresses, masks.

stop living in fear from something that is nothing. geez.

if you are smart enough to make a had that displays a light circle around you, then you should also be smart enough to know that you have zero percent chance of dying from this bug. and chances are, you already have had it.

NEWS FLASH: we hit herd immunity for COVID-19

We could have done this a year ago if we would have just lived life as we have for thousands of years.

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"NEWS FLASH: we hit herd immunity for COVID-19

We could have done this a year ago if we would have just lived life as we have for thousands of years."

I think that's what they were relying on in Sweden. I think they changed their minds.

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Show us something from a reputable news source. Perhaps you should look at Sweden's own government's actions; after embracing their chief medical officer's 'herd immunity' plan as a path through Covid, and experiencing rates grossly larger than neighboring countries, they relieved him of his duties and adopted much more logical thinking in their approach to Covid.

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03/09/2021 2:36 PM

Charlie, you should remember that many choose to believe preferred but unsubstantiated opinions over data driven cold hard facts. This has been true since Aristotle's time. Look no further than the horrific Battle of the Somme for proof that repetition does not educate.

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Principia Scientific is hardly a reputable news organization.

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03/08/2021 8:34 AM

Looks like an engineering solution to a political boondoggle.

Since it doesn't work effectively during in daylight, I'd say you need to go back to the drawing board.

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In our region of 100,000 people there are typically about 25 active cases, so the chance of a face to face encounter with an infected person is almost non-existent. Nevertheless, it is common to see people alone in their cars, wearing a mask - as if the air everywhere is a disease-laden soup. Their eyes (above their masks) widen in fear when they see me approaching, maskless, outdoors. They would love your laser-ring hat. As for me, I confess that indoors and out I do wear a covid-specific item. It is a tag pinned to my lapel. It reads, "Be afraid. Be very afraid."

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03/08/2021 11:33 AM

It's a shame that we can't get all the Covid deniers together (and away from the rest of us, and our access to medical care), so they can attain herd immunity on their own...

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I am not a Covid-19 denier, nor am I a Covid "Variants of Concern" denier, but that doesn't mean I want to hide under my bed, and I resent efforts by those who are hiding there, to join them - and join them in their denial of the destructive "variants of concern" (VOC) that the measures to combat Covid-19 have themselves introduced. Here are a few:

Fear vs survival rate reality VOC; year-long vs temporary flatten-the-curve lockdown VOC; Walmarts open vs churches closed VOC; Cosco profits vs small business bankruptcies VOC; NHL games allowed vs kids hockey disallowed VOC; police overreach vs constitutional freedoms VOC; domestic violence before and after VOC; depression before and after VOC; drug abuse and overdoses before and after VOC; suicides before and after VOC.

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I was just curious about what defines a COVID denier? I'm trying to figure out if I deserve the label or not.

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I suspect the pertinent definition lies only in the mind of the one labeling others as a COVID denier. So just about anyone might be seen as a denier to someone.

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Agree. The lack of response is generally telling.

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At the same time, I also agree with a desire for COVID and medical science deniers to show the courage of their convictions by refusing medical care when they get sick. No person should be forced into medical care they refuse.

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03/10/2021 7:53 AM

I don't think anyone apart from out and out loonies could be described as a "denier".

What there is though is a huge spectrum of beliefs about the seriousness of the pandemic.

Kicking off with the selfish: "I'm young fit and healthy, and, am not close to anyone vulnerable, so it doesn't matter." to the most unselfish "I'm young fit and healthy, and, am not close to anyone vulnerable, but, I know that millions of people are dyeing, and suffering all sorts of long term complications, so, it really matters."

But, there's another category which I probably fall into broadly, which is both selfish and unselfish: the virus has already mutated several times into worse strains. Worse can mean: higher mortality; more transmissible, or, less susceptible to existing vaccines (and there are probably more). The more people in the world who have the illness the more chance of it mutating into something very much worse. This is something that we really need to try to avoid, and, everyone should take as much care as they reasonably can. Also as first world countries we should help the rest of the world to get adequate vaccine cover.

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I think it's an interesting, cool idea. Even more cool that you built it. The amount of power needed to make it even a little effective in daylight might be too heavy for a hat though. Maybe a 3D printed support frame would help hold the larger laser.

What would be more fun is if you could have the laser dot aimed at the person's chest as they enter and remain in your space and a scent projector with the odor of cooking meat. Bwahahaha! (BTW - that's an evil laugh)

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So, in your government approved social distancing righteousness, are you of the opinion that if someone shorter than you enters your laser defined zone of annoyance, looks up, catches the 100mw laser in the eyes and sustains permanent vision damage, they are fully deserving of the injury?

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03/08/2021 7:19 PM

Well at least you are keeping yourself busy.

I don't think this is a good idea for a number of reasons. You would be best to just move out of peoples way rather than trying to influence others in such a strange (to who ever sees this) and overly complex way.

I just wear a high-vis vest and mask. Add a white lab coat, people may then conscientiously give you a wide bearth.

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Definitely NOT stupid, actually rather clever and definitive.

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03/09/2021 1:27 AM

Great project idea!

Having said that, things like people inadvertently getting too close, or even people not wearing masks does not bother me in the least.

What I would like to know is what was the "scientific" basis for the 6ft spacing? Where did it originate? If it originated in Europe as 2 meters, shouldn't it be 6.56ft here in the States? If it started here in the States as 6ft, wouldn't it be 1.83m?

What would be the impact of rounding errors on "catching" the virus?

Feel free to comment, but all these questions are rhetorical.

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Love it.

I find it so interesting that Americans, especially, known for their incredible waste of space, insisting on three foot circles around themselves when in public. This used to totally floor Europeans and Asians.

Along comes covid and now Americans want to stand on you're toes. The text book definition of juvenile rebellion theory in action.

Why yes!, we are the youngest, least educated, country on the planet. How could you tell?

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As Henry David Thoreau wrote, when he was conversing with someone he liked to have some distance - it gave his words time to get into full sailing trim before reaching port. It wasn't because he disliked or was repulsed by the person to whom he was speaking. Westerners have always liked their personal space, but they never made wide detours around others they passed. I see little evidence of rebellion against the current mandated social distancing. I am surprised at how the majority has accepted the government fear mongering, and how quickly an outgoing and friendly people have become fearful of others, treating everyone as if they are "a leather-sided bag of pus" (Baudelaire). Keep everyone separate and alone and powerless. This site disallows political comment so I'll stop there.

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"I'll stop there" after explicitly making political comments...

How many Covid deniers ask for the no-mask-and-gown discount, when they go into the hospital for surgery?

How many of them think that washing their hands after wiping their butt is a stupid government conspiracy to enrich water & soap companies?

How many of them think that anti-smoking laws just exist to enrich....hmmm....that's a tough one...

How many of them think that seat belt laws were just created to enrich the car companies? Take a look at US automotive deaths by year. See the steady decline in deaths per 100 thousand, starting around 1970? Population continues to increase, miles driven continues to increase, yet deaths have declined dramatically, due purely to government regulations forcing mfgrs to build safer cars, and near-total acceptance by the public that seat belt laws are a good idea so they wear their seat belts. The total number of auto deaths last year was probably around 36,000. 36,000 people are dying from Covid at the rate of about 38,000 PER MONTH.

Covid is now the leading cause of death in the US. If we can put up with wearing a seat belt when we drive (or on an airliner, where death rates are almost measurably low), what makes it so hard to wear a mask in public?

We accept strip searches to get on airliners (when the cargo under us isn't checked), but we won't wear a mask to protect our fellow man/woman?

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I see you love Big Brother. Tell me, good little obedient citizen, who are you protecting when you are alone in your car, wearing a mask? Tell me, good little citizen, why are the big box stores open, their parking lots full, and all of the mom and pop businesses are shut down? Tell me, good little citizen, why are the gatherings inside Walmart legal, but the gatherings to protest the closing of the mom and pop businesses illegal? Tell me, good little citizen, why, in Toronto, were the mounted police brought in to disperse supporters and shut down a barbeque restaurant on the same road as a huge Costco store that was open for business and which the police ignored? Hmmm...these are tough ones...

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Conspiracy theories are bullshit. If you feed on them you are then YOU become full of bullshit. You are what you eat. Natures rule, not mine. Deal with it.

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Big box stores are open under law and mom and pop stores are locked down under law. That is not a theory. It is a fact.

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Yes! If masks and social distancing are indeed the primary methods of preventing the spread of the Covid 19 virus, why shouldn't all businesses be open as long as they were practicing these 2 simple rules?

As you say, tough questions!

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<sigh>
Ever tried eating or drinking with a mask on?

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<sigh>

Theatres and churches closed. Protests against lock-down measures illegal.

Is it possible to watch a movie, attend a play, participate in a religious service, or protest against laws while wearing a mask?

Yes, it is possible.

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Yes, it is possible to wear masks during all of those events. It's also possible that all of the oxygen in a room will randomly but briefly gather in one corner. It is highly unlikely all will wear masks to prevent COVID spreader event from happening in many of these events. The anti-mask movement is also responsible for these lockdowns to continue. The vaccines are coming to all. A few more months is needed for a majority of people to have one.

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Except for protests, which generally take place outdoors anyway, the other venues I mention could abide by the same rules as your local Walmart - wear a mask or you are not allowed in. Too simple and obvious for you?

As for your faith in vaccines - what about the inevitable Covid variants untouched by the vaccines? Should our response be to continue the lock-downs until complete societal collapse? Swing the sledgehammer to kill a swarm of flies, and after everything is destroyed, the flies will still be buzzing. Look at WCarts post #5 stating fatality ratios. This is not the Black Plague. Ongoing lock-downs pose a bigger threat to society than the virus.

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What about the fact that everyone will eventually die anyway from something. With your kind of logic one could advocate that everyone should immediately sit on the nearest glacier and just wait to die.

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Re: "With your kind of logic one could advocate that everyone should immediately sit on the nearest glacier and just wait to die."

No. As a rabid lock-down enthusiast, that is your kind of logic. My kind of logic is: The virus cannot be eliminated. It is not the Black Plague. After a year of lock-downs, the damage to society from continued lock-downs exceeds the risk of the virus. Let us take measures to protect those most at risk from the virus. For the rest of us, it is time to get back to work, and get back to living normally. There is more to life than constantly worrying about death.

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No. I was demonstrating how your hasty generalization logical fallacy can be used to produce ridiculous conclusions. Reapplying this logical fallacy to make a hyperbolic conclusion in the other direction tells me you don't grasp that this technique is a logical fallacy. It proves nothing.

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Bandying about terms like "logical fallacy" and "hyperbolic conclusion", without specific references, is just a meaningless word salad.

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I guess you cannot see that the two word phrase, hasty generalization, is a link to a logical fallacy description on hasty generalization. That is a very specific reference. Pointing out how your statements fit the specific reference is clearly pointless.

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Rather than a gratuitous implied insult, I would naturally prefer that you point out how my statements fit the specific reference. Please do so.

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Society will not collapse because you cannot go to the bar/restaurant with your friends, today. Society will continue whether you like it or not.

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See my #97 response to Rashavarek, another gung-ho lockdown enthusiast.

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Thank you for proving my earlier point. It is pointless to show why your argument (not your perspective or opinion) is a logical fallacy.

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Is it the Mark Twain Quote time?

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You can try but I'm not sure he'd understand.

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Your post itself is not an argument. It is mindless sloganeering.

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For those unfamiliar with American football, you have just been flagged for repeating verifiably false information while thinking because others repeat it you must be right.

No matter how many times you repeat something that is false it is still false.

2+2≠3 every single time you do it.

No matter how famous or popular the person saying it is, the information is still false.

This is known as the Big Lie mechanism.

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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-second-noble-truth/201403/the-big-lie

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Without specific references to what I've written, both of your previous posts are vacuous.

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OK.

Verifiably False.

"Ongoing lock-downs pose a bigger threat to society than the virus."

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Your view, the "correct" view, is that bankruptcies, suicides, drug abuse, domestic violence are all acceptable collateral damages in the fight against a virus that is little threat to the majority of the population - a virus which no lock-down measures and no vaccine will ever eliminate.

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In Canada, the lockdown measures, and the charges against individuals and businesses that violate them, are being increasingly and successfully challenged in court. It is usually a constitutional challenge, and typically, when presented with this challenge the prosecutor decides not to proceed, or the judge dismisses the case. Similar to the States, Canadians have the right to peaceful assembly; the right to protest; the right to attend a religious service; the right to pursue the gaining of livelihood; the right to equality before the law (not Walmarts open and small businesses closed; not NHL games allowed and kid's games disallowed); the right not to be arbitrarily detained (reference quarantine detention centres - dismissed originally as a "conspiracy theory" by mainstream media). So, Redfred and Rashavarek, and other liberty hating lockdown enthusiasts, judging from the growing number of dismissed lockdown violation charges against individuals and businesses, my reasoning is not flawed as you mockingly claim. My views are "bandwagon" supported by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, are on the side of justice, and are right.

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Oh... I must have misinterpreted your use of the word "all".
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<more sighs>

Good little obedient citizens, is it possible to go to a museum, an art gallery, a library while wearing a mask? Of course it's possible, but under lock-down, it is illegal.

Good little obedient citizens, is it it possible to shop at Walmart and Costco while wearing a mask? Of course it's possible, and under "lock-down" it is completely legal. Shop your __s off, good little obedient citizens!

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Legitimate questions about what is actually going on, but for lock-down enthusiasts anyone who asks them must be dismissed as a conspiracy theorist (see post #44 as an example).

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Is that why we came to the aid of Europe? Twice?

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Now that is a classic non sequitur fallacy.

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It helps when you don't know you are not supposed to be able to do that.

Think Cubs recent World Series Win.

I don't make this stuff up ya know.

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You mean like Trump winning the 2016 election?

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Yep, that too.

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Michael Moore saw it coming.

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Silly me. I thought Idiocracy was JUST a movie. Never realized it was a roadmap.

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The truth if it ever becomes known will reveal all.

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03/10/2021 9:38 PM

If you loved that movie, you will also like a 1951 short story by C. M. Kornbluth, "The Marching Morons". I believe this story inspired the movie.

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03/11/2021 10:29 PM

I find it so interesting that Americans, especially, known for their incredible waste of space, insisting on three foot circles around themselves when in public. This used to totally floor Europeans and Asians.

Interesting! I have never heard of this before. Where are you getting this? Sources, please.

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03/12/2021 10:34 AM

Triple A, Michelin travel guide. Its been a standing joke in international travel for 50 years, what rock do you live under?

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03/12/2021 3:49 PM

Americans are always being scolded for not being 'sensitive' to the traditions and norms of other cultures, so for crying sake, why can't others be 'sensitive' to the culture here in the United States???????

This is exactly the kind of hypocrisy that pisses off so many people who are willing to actually use their brain and think.

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03/12/2021 4:14 PM

I think the general consensus of countries with 1000 or more years of history behind them that we are too young to have a "culture". LoL Somethinglike the I cant get hired without experience but if you dont hire me how can I get experience deal.

Of course if you ask the French they will gladly tell you no one has culture but them so there's that.

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03/10/2021 3:07 PM

The corona virus mutates, so it is reasonable to suppose that it will never be eliminated. It is here to stay. So what are we to do? Here in Ontario we have just passed the one year anniversary of the "temporary" two-week flatten-the-curve lockdown. It seems to have morphed into an eliminate-the-virus lockdown, which is impossible. The lockdowns cannot continue indefinitely. Societal collapse will result. Resistance to the imposed public health measures is growing. In parts of western Canada people are saying, F__k it! We're done. We've had enough. We would rather take our chances with the virus than go on living like this. Joe's Bar has opened in defiance of the lockdown laws, and I'm going there to support Joe and have a drink with my friends. No masks. No social distancing. There is more to life than always worrying about death.

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03/10/2021 3:14 PM

Yes, there comes a time when we have to accept that humans will have to evolve to survive the virus.

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03/10/2021 5:06 PM

its not funny that you started this rant with that sentence the same day this report is published.

Variant B.1.1.7 of COVID-19 associated with a significantly higher mortality rate, research shows

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03/10/2021 6:21 PM

As I mentioned in my #15 post, I wear a pin on my lapel that reads, "Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid", and after reading your referenced report, I'm so afraid that I need a drink. I'm going down to Joe's Bar to have a beer with my pals. On the way, if I see someone wearing a hazmat suit, I'll wave, because I'll know it's you.

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