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?Transistor? proper circuit to pass voltage

11/27/2007 10:51 PM

Forgive me if this has been previously asked, but I have been searching for what I remembered to be a fairly simple circuit that we did in school many moons ago.

I need to build a circuit that will close with a 5V input; however the 5V is only a trigger that will allow 12 to 24 V to pass through in order to activate a solenoid valve. I've got a soleniod sitting here as well as the 5 volt source. I was hoping to use a couple of batteries connected in series for the 24V (two car batteries would be overkill, but a few 9V and a 6V hopefully would do... I'm double checking to see if there is a current requirment for the solenoid, but i think the batteries are enough to drive it. (here's the company solenoid info...Powerful pull-type solenoid with spring return. Intermittent duty, max 10%. 3.3-4.2 ohm coil. Designed for 22-26 Vdc use, but it works fairly well on 12 Vdc. Pull force, 3.7 lbs @ 24 Vdc. Body is 0.77" diameter X 1.82" long. 3" long plunger. 3.4" mounting bracket attached to body. )

It's been a while since i've built circuits but now I'm just stuck... Anyone who can help point me in the right direction, I thank you now for your help.

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Re: ?Transistor? proper circuit to pass voltage

11/28/2007 4:51 AM

A power transistor capable of passing >10A without damage will do the job. Remember to put a flywheel diode across the solenoid coil, reverse-biased so as to prevent high voltages appearing at the transistor terminals when the circuit switches off. Use a NPN transistor for +24V and a PNP transistor for -24V. A current-limiting resistor in series with the base would be a good idea. Connect the emitter to the 0V rail, apply the 5V voltage when needed between the current-limiting resistor and the 0V rail, and put the solenoid and its flywheel diode between the 24V rail and the collector.

Now it's play time!

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11/28/2007 8:12 AM

PWSlack gave you all you need. I'f it needs to be a little more rugged, I might use an SCR. The component is larger and more stout. It's basically a fat transistor. (npn & pnp sandwich) This isn't a nuclear trigger?

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11/28/2007 8:26 AM

THank you for the info. It is for a device similar to the one Leia used to free Han. jk.

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12/03/2007 2:15 PM

...I'f it needs to be a little more rugged, I might use an SCR. ..

SCR can be switched on DC but cannot be switched-off by just removing the bias of Gate.
It is latched & can only be switched-off by:
Removing the Power or

"Forced-Commutation" which has a very complicated circuit & was used in Inverters only.

Transistor or a Relay is the only solution to energise a solenoid valve or any load on DC.

And put also a flywheel diode across the Collector & Emitter of transistor, in-spite of the built-in Diode in Darlington-Transistor is there.

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12/03/2007 4:13 PM

SCR can be switched on DC but cannot be switched-off by just removing the bias of Gate.


Yes, but there are ways to switch it off if you can come to a good current that is almost the load current (you need to pass a lower current through the "on" scr than that the sustaining current) for the right amount of time. Looking at the specs will make you decide. You can do this with only another scr.

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12/05/2007 8:58 PM

Hello indel!

Yes but I mentioned the ways to switch-off the SCR which too complicated for the application under discussion:

switched-off by:
"Forced-Commutation" which has a very complicated circuit & was used in Inverters only.

GTO [Gate-turn-off] was introduced for simple COMMUTATION but failed & dead now.

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12/06/2007 11:08 PM

Dear Haajee,

I am not talking about forced commutation but of a simple technique that I have used a long time ago, and which I just copied from a GE circuit book. The idea (and practical implementation) is simple and requires, besides the main scr, another scr, a resistor and a capacitor. The rest is just calculating the capacitor size and a time constant.

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12/07/2007 8:44 PM

My dear indel this is the Forced-commutation, shutting-down forcibly by applying REVERSE voltage of sufficient level & energy to the conducting SCR ; one of the ways to shut-down an SCR.

The other on zero-crossing [No-votage for suuficint time to let SCR to shut-down]

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Re: ?Transistor? proper circuit to pass voltage

11/29/2007 9:25 AM

If you think battery, than think auto 24V or two 12V ones. This solenoid draws a large current, and if you need to keep it "open" for some time, than you need a good reserve of Ah.

Now, for the circuit. As PWSlack mentioned, a power transistor will do it:

-Must be a Darlington, in order to minimize the necessary base current, I assume that you drive it with a 5V like a TTL signal. A TTL signal has a current capability in "high" state of less than 1 mA and the voltage you can count on is 2.4V. So, from this value to the necessary 600mA base current for a regular transistor (not Darlington) it is a long way.

If you just connect the base through a resistor (of 6 or 7 Ohm) to 5V via a SPDT switch it will work, too, but "manually".

There is, also, the SCR variant but you will need two of those, to have the "reset" function (I mean the closing of the valve).

And don't forget the heat sink, as your transistor will dissipate more than 2W.

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