schindler elevator

You name your poison and take your chances. It's like buying a pig in a poke!

Or pay the extra money for the extra grade.

You will have to get the fine details together to make a cost/quality evaluation sheet. Most any thing else would be a blue sky guesstimate and not worth the paper.

the chinese lifts are just as good structurally. The motors and controls leave a lot to be desired though. Particulalry in hot climates they can play up quite a lot.

With regard money the Chinese lifts can be specified with high quality equipment and will give the same service as any other lift. You just need to be on the spot and test everything BEFORE you pay for it, to make sure the components are good grade. The controls are the real problem. Make sure the motors are easily and fully servicable. Some are not and are very expensive to repair/replace. make sure the electronics have good diagnostics accessability so anyone can can diagnose problems without going back to the maker. Good Idea to have a back up lighting system AND a warning light to tell people the main light system has failed. I've seen lifts that have a failed light system and the backup battery goes flat leaving the lift in darkness....

You need to avile the services competent lift consultant from your country,and have all the components inspected before shipping form china by your consultant.other wise you are likely to land into problems both functional and during installation.

crm

By the way- schindler elevator - is it the One from Movie: Schindler List?

Pay the extra for Swiss, you will regret NOT doing this later.

In relationship to the total cost of the building, what % extra will that be?

I would agree with the other poster that if you order the less expensive Chinese machine then there will be cost cutting in areas where it is not obvious during a visual inspection - motors, controls, etc. You will also have to do considerable testing of the units before accepting them. Once the units leave China there is a hefty re-importation duty that means that even if they are defective you can't send them back economically.

Also, Chinese subcontractors have an interesting habit of switching materials to a lower spec than is called out in the drawings. I've had this happen in the middle of a production run and it caused havoc. So you have to write contracts very specifically to have serious penalties for this kind of lapse because unless your Chinese lead vendor is doing inspections of the subs then you have a big risk.

The bottom line is that the Chinese product looks less expensive but once you factor in the expenses of constant supplier inspections and the necessity to order a higher spec equipment to equal the spec of the Swiss product you are probably better off ordering the Swiss machine.

Be advised that when you buy critical euipment from china you get chinese metalurgy which is of considerably less quality than most western countries. Having experience with the purchase of chinese goods I find that while their porcelain can not be surpassed their metalurgy has failed durabilty testsin the past. Although they are steadily improving, I for one would not want to intrust a high stress vehicle like an elevator to inconsistent chinese engineering and metalurgists.

recently, my company has purcased some bearings from China. We put in a machine. After 6 months we had a crash due to bearings which was completly weard out. We a talking about a mascine which is alredy for a few years on the market, never problems with INA or SKF. You sould ask for references.

with Thyssenkrupp china we had this problem when our consultant from India inspected the elevator before shipping he found doors were not manufactured as per approved drawings.It took lot of arguments with Thyssen china to convince them they had made a mistake at their shop floor.Had it not for our consultant we would have struck with the elevator erection.as Andy says pay that extra to swiss and get the right equipment.

crm

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HI Andy

Thanks!

Good, Fast, and Cheap..... Pick any two and you won't get the third..!! Let us not restrict this to Chinese products since it is a universal truth. Most of our studied logic is not applyng,.... when you see the trade surplus that China had with USA.