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Lost internet connection

12/03/2007 10:16 PM

My internet connection speed slow. It takes a lot more time for downloading. I selected a plan for 64 kB/sec downloading speed with Cablenet connection. But when I am downloading a file the speed shows somewhere around 10 or sometimes 4.5 kB/sec. My service provider says it depends on the site, how many downloads taking place on the site & also that the speed will always be 1/7 or 1/8 of the speed specified, so I should be getting a speed of 8 to 11 kB/sec. Can anyone pls explain, is this a proper justification?

Secondly, while downloading a movieclip, if suddenly the connection is lost then all the downloaded portion of the file is also lost. Is there a software or something that can save my already downloaded prtion of the file?

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Re: Lost internet connection

12/03/2007 11:42 PM

What matters is whether you are talking "kB" vs. "KB". kB is 1000 bits. KB is 1000 bytes. There are 8 bits in 1 byte so if your connection is really 64 kB then you need to get a better connection because your are slower than dial-up. The slowest DSL is probably around 64KB. My cable is up somewhere around 380KB-420KB. For me it's smoking fast.

If you solve your first problem, you won't have to worry about the second one.

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12/04/2007 1:12 AM

It's 64 KB & speed I am getting is 4.5 to 10 KB/sec.

What do you think about the explanation my service provider is giving? Actually, I don't know anything about this, so he can easily fool me.

What about that software for saving the half downloaded portion, when internet connection goes dead?

Thanks in advance.

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12/04/2007 3:49 AM

Hello Guest,

Your terminology is somewhat misleading.

The minimum data piece which can be transmitted and decoded at the other end, is a byte.

A byte is composed of 8 bits, and generally is made up of 7 bits, plus an 8th bit as a checksum bit.

So 64kB - 64 kilobytes per second = x8 = 512 kilobits per second.....

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12/05/2007 6:29 PM

In your reply you that kB = kilobits. That is not right. Kb = kilobits KB = Kilobytes

The K stays capitalized while the B/b changes...

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12/16/2007 7:05 PM

Hello Guest,

There is some konfuzion internationally re the correct abbreviation terminology for kilobytes.

Because they are kilo = 1,000 the small k is properly used, and is listed as such in the SI index of standard abbreviations.

I do appreciate that some may use KB, but K properly stands for Kelvin, a reference temperature of 0 degrees Kelvin is absolute Zero - No atomic movement at all - in practice Absolute Zero is unattainable.

Although we grew up here on fine, easy to understand British Imperial units:

Inches, feet, yards miles, rods, poles, perches,acres, pecks, gills, grams, ounces, pounds, quarters, hundredweight, tons, pints, quarts, gallons, and the like - all easily remember, but #@!%##^%%& to calculate, we changed to the far simpler system of SI measure, because it is to base10.

Now I'm not saying it is a better counting structure, after all 10 can only be evenly divided by 1,2,5,10 - while base12 can be evenly divided by 1,2,3,4,6,12.

You will recognize base16 (hexadecimal) far more logical, dividing evenly by 1,2,4,8,16 but harder for the average person to understand.

Base20 is even better, 1,2,4,5,10, but cumbersome, even though most persons have 20 digits = fingers + thumbs + toes.

So there we are....you have your definition as KB, I have mine (SI), as kB.

I agree that a single abbreviate term is better, to eliminate that konfuzion..

Kind Regards, from far away.....

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12/03/2007 11:44 PM

Ok first things first use Filezilla when downloading files its free.

Next was your internet connection always slow or did it just start.

Try this first Check your LAN Card for driver updates

If you have a wireless router pull the power on it for a full minute and then plug it back in. Dont worry you dont need to unplug all the PC's

Next Unplug your cable modem and make sure it is powered off for a full minute so the routers at your cable company can reset.

Lastly google for a internet speed check site there are thousands of them. If none of that fixes it check with your cable company

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Re: Lost internet connection

12/04/2007 4:53 AM

Hello pc,

This is the 3rd time I am typing out my reply to you, sadly there is so much traffic locally, my sent Post got lost on the first 2 times it was sent, (Aaaaarrrrggghh#@!$#@#$%&^0) so here I am, laboriously typing it out again....

Please read the earlier Post I made (#4 above) to understand the correct difference between bits and bytes (8 bits = 1 byte)

A huge number of variables determine data transmission on the Internet:

  1. Speed of your local Computer
  2. Speed of the far end Computer
  3. Plan or Contract you have with your ISP (Internet Service Provider - the Company you connect to the Internet with)
  4. The type of data transfer:BitTorrent - Kazaa - FTP - Email - HTTP - Other
  5. BitTorrent and Kazaaa types of File sharing are "Throttled"or "Traffic Shaped" by most ISP's
  6. FTP is generally not "Throttled"
  7. Email to your ISP (smtp = send, and POP3 = receive), is generally very fast
  8. The time of day
  9. Whether schoolchildren are home or not
  10. Whether there are good programmes on TV
  11. Whether it is raining or snowing
  12. Transmission via cable, fiber-optic, microwave, satellite,undersea cable etc
  13. Distance between sender/receiver
  14. The number of Computers (Nodes) between sender and receiver
  15. The traffic handling ability of each node in the circuit
  16. Infection in your Computer: Adware, Malware, Trojans, Scripts, Worms, Viruses etc, all slow down data transfer
  17. Your Router speed
  18. Your Software Firewall type
  19. Your Operating System
  20. Your Browser type: Internet Explorer is slower than Firefox etc.
  21. Data is both sent and received in "packets", which are checked and handed on, each Internet node - This slows down the total data transfer

There are many other variables............

So you see it is not so easy to determine where your "slowness" actually occurs.

You may wish to download this useful Internet Utility,which I have used over many years. Free and no Malware Down2Home is here:

http://jitserv.coolfreepage.com/

Down2Home 1.3 is a program that monitors your ADSL/Cablemodem/Dialup traffic
and provides you with useful statistics about the amount of data your PC has transferred.

Use it to see what's happening on your Dial-up/DSL or Cable connected on your PC.
Check if there is data transferred when you don't want it.(Spyware, backdoors, whatever)

Or use it to keep control over your transfer volume....

Latest Version : v1.3

Features:

  • Transfer Volume Monitor & Mini-Monitor.(Transparency supported on XP/Win2K)
  • Avg/Maximum Download Speed
  • Avg Upload Speed
  • Tracking of the used volume in the last x days, months, since the 14th...
  • Selective network adapter logging.
    • (Dial-up/Adsl/Ethernet Adapters)
  • Built in Graphics showing up- & download volumes
    • Bar-, Area- & Line charts
    • Per Day, Week, Month, Year.
    • Charts showing download speeds
  • Logging of volume in database
  • Export function of data to CSV-file format
  • Simple installation
  • Installs to load with windows (shortcut in startup folder)
  • Fully compatible with Windows 98, NT 4.0, Windows 2000 and XP.
  • Runs in the system tray.

and... Down2Home is Freeware !

Hope that helps you, feel free to ask further, if needed.....

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Re: Lost internet connection

12/04/2007 2:42 PM

I am thinking the guy just wants s simple troubleshooting guide for and issue he is having am I correct with this?

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12/05/2007 2:40 PM

The trouble is using cable for internet. there is finite capacity in that pipe line. if there are several users in his area all using cable at the same time the pipeline is too full and speeds slow down.

DSL is also selling packages with differect speeds now.

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12/06/2007 10:16 AM

" This is the 3rd time I am typing out ... "

Dear Sir! same conditions exist in my locality; lost many posts in rebooting of site on clicking "Preview" and "Send" or "Post .. ".

I started to type message in notepad or Wordpad [and saved in file say any name "Downloads" or what, a short-cut kept @ desktop. Now even if my system shuts-down I get the whole script back.

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12/05/2007 5:41 PM

Are you downloading "legal" movies (tell us more) or "illegal" copies of films?

If the latter, please leave this immediately, we do not help in such situations of breaking the law.....

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12/05/2007 6:41 PM

Andy,

Sometimes it is better to help someone out.

What they do with that information is their business, in fact it is none of our business what he does with it. When you help someone out, you are doing a service for someone and it is better to assume that they are up to no wrong rather then assume people are here to break the law.

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12/05/2007 6:56 PM

The trouble is twofold:-

1) a lot of people are here to find out how to break the law, especially from the far east....

2) They have no problems with talking about it.......shows a bad upbringing. Not that mine was good, but I do still like to visit the church and not feel that a lightning bolt might strike me, I have had enough electrical shocks already....

Helping possible felons is not what CR4 is here for, they actually close down blogs that appear to do that and rightly....or CR4 could land in very hot water and they themselves get closed down! They closed one out in the last two days because of trying to use software illegally and not purchase......

See:-

How-Do-I-Remove-Entries-from-My-Computer-s-Registry

Then how are you going to help genuine people???

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12/06/2007 3:55 AM

You wrote: 1) a lot of people are here to find out how to break the law, especially from the far east....

The 'Far East' includes many nations, many countries and many types of morality. It inludes the majority of humanity. Some societies in the far east are well known for their exemlpary adherence to law and order. Some are are not.

Throughout history non-far-east, western, Judeo-Christian morality was rather patchy.

The morality easily accepted within living memory by the European country you chose for residence was not too exemplary either.

Generalisations help sometimes but more often then not they show thought-laziness.

Moreover. I don't think that the majority of people complaining about their internet connecion do so because downloading illegal copies of films is slow. To publicly suspect a correspondent of theft, without reason is rude, to say le least.

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12/06/2007 4:15 AM

You are totally off base with your thoughts.

I will explain in more detail for you:- I am referring to those people from the Far East, logging onto CR4 who are looking for illegal software and methods to use software illegally....amongst other things.

The majority of these people using CR4 for such purposes come from the Far East....the reason being that although such illegal things are also done in more western areas, THE WESTERNERS DON`'T GO LOOKING FOR THAT ON CR4 GENERALLY......in the far east, it has become "normal", acceptable and a way of life for many.....MS loses Billions of $$$$ in sales due to copying in the far east....

Have you ever been to Hong Kong, there are shops selling perfect copies of every software ever made, looking just like the originals....

They are probably a very tiny part of 0.000001% of the populations concerned......or less....

That is NOT the same as what you are writing!! Perhaps English is not your first language and that is the problem.....

Please please read more carefully in the future what is written before jumping to wrong conclusions....I am talking ONLY about certain CR4 users.....

We have an old saying in the UK "If the cap fits, wear it!" Try and understand what is meant by it!!!

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12/06/2007 4:52 AM

You write: "You are totally off base with your thoughts."

To be off-base, a base should be defined. Yours seems to differ drom mine.

'Ordnung muss sein' is an important principle but so is 'Kinderstube'.

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12/06/2007 5:06 AM

I think that the discussion of the original post has now degenerated into a personal issue and perception, that is totally irrelevant to the technicalities of making your computer do its job. Get yourself a job with the relevant authorities and pursue your career with them. I think this will give you job satisfaction.

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12/06/2007 9:52 AM

It wasn't my intention to have this go so far.

I respect Andy's posts, he always posts good information.

I just wanted to bring it to his attention that it's better to be a little more trusting.

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12/16/2007 6:39 PM

Don't forget the young men in Florida. Or the students at .....any University.

Geez. C'mon man. I can not believe some of this stuff!

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12/06/2007 10:20 AM

" 1) ... break the law, especially from the far east.... "

Pardon sir; Majority of such people are all over the world including Developed countries.
Please never point-out a community, just mention the problem.

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12/06/2007 10:39 AM

Enough.

I apologize for starting this off topic discussion.

What Andy is referring to is that in some countries and they are primarily in the Far and Middle East, they can copy and sell intellectual property without reprisal.

The fact of the matter is, over the internet, the selling of such property meets minimum contact requirement to infringe on the laws in countries where it is illegal.

I can in the United States, bring a software pirate to court in the United States from the Middle-east and win a law suit. However, that person can appeal it in the courts of his parent country and win because he wasn't breaking the law in his country. That just means that his country isn't going to honor the lawsuit and enforce it.

Microsoft when through this very thing with France. It wasn't over piracy it was over advertisement delivery procedures. Had there not been any laws protecting Microsoft's practices here in the States, the U.S. courts would have honored France's court rulings and made Microsoft pay the lawsuit.

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12/06/2007 11:21 AM

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12/06/2007 11:45 AM

Only certain people feel that it doesn't matter to let others know that they are looking to do illegal things......in all European countries, people who do this (downloading music CDs or films) have a good chance of eventually being caught and having to pay very heavy fines.

Recently (in the last 12 months) in Germany, an 11 year old girl's Mother had to pay €6000 fine because of what her daughter downloaded. In another case, a school teacher had to pay €12,000......there were several more of these. The film and music industry have started here, they have the law on their side.....

In the far east, the possibility of being caught is so low that many people see it as a new people's sport. As I mentioned before, in Hong Kong and certain other far eastern cities, copied software is openly offered in big, well lit, well fitted out shops, that is their ONLY business - selling illegal copies! I have not been to China, but I am reliably informed that the production/Copying of such software, is very strongly based there because no proper copyright laws exist with western nations.....can anyone comment on that?

I wonder how many seconds such a shop would trade in any US State or European country before the police closed it and arrested everyone!!! 30 maybe?

I can only re-iterate that it is not sport, it is totally illegal and we on CR4 should not in anyway support or assist it......EVEN IF WE ARE NOT 100% CERTAIN THAT THE USE IS ILLEGAL, a maybe is good enough. We must be 100% certain that the use is fully legal. Here we have a very strong "maybe illegal!"

There is always the point that many jobs have been lost to the far east, we certainly do not want to add to the jobs drain any further either......and that is a further possibility of not stopping such infos......

If you wish, I will contact Moose and see what he feels should be done with this Blog.....but really, we should be grownup enough to Police our own information and NOT give it out for possibly suspect or illegal uses.......

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12/05/2007 5:55 PM

tho my net runs very well; T1 to T2 most of the time, I still keep a copy of, winsockxpfix, around just in case, can find it here. http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4372.html

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12/05/2007 6:39 PM

Sometimes the traffic of the cable network will slow your rate down sometimes even slower then a dial up connection.

Clear your cache. Go to internet options under tools in your browser and empty the temporary files. When cluttered your cache will slow down and even stall your downloading and even your other file exchanges. This should be done at least once a week.

Do a defragment on your hard drive. Or at least check to see if it needs defragmenting. Sometimes if you've let your hard drive go without defragmenting it will not leave enough room to complete a download.

There are lots of programs you can install that are free and will hold your place for how much you've downloaded and resume where you've left off. One has been mentioned already in here check his recommendation out. It works.

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12/05/2007 10:00 PM

yes there is solution!

as per your statment your connection is 1/8 only as there are plans like that these plans are generaly for those who are connected there pc for net all the time !

if your plans is 64 kbps and it download with 8 to 12 kbps that is absulutlu right. You have to increase your bandwidth for downloade as cable modem/net having capacity to deliver so many Mbps data at a time ?

check at your end termination of your connectin from trank line to your place it may layed network line if possible change to fiber for better and non interfairing signel.may you need to upgrade your existing system.

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12/06/2007 2:08 AM

There are a numnber of external things over which you have no control, e.g. internet traffic volume etc. There are however things that you can do to to make your pc run at its optimum.

get yourself a good download manager (free) at http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/download.htm

get yourself software to scrub your registry clean at

http://www.maxregistrycleaner.com/

and install good anti virus software

http://www.eset.com/download/registered_software.php

These software packages are not for free, but then you get what you pay for!

To use eset 32, you must uninstll all other anti virus software.

Also do all the usual tasks, such as defragmenting your disk and disk clean-up.

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" Secondly, while downloading a movieclip, if suddenly the connection is lost then all the downloaded portion of the file is also lost. Is there a software or something that can save my already downloaded prtion of the file? "

Unquote

This property of download is called "Resume".
Normally today all the renowned sites & all Explorers support "Resume" of file if connection to Server or [for dialup users Dialup has dropped] provided that system has not shut-down / re-booted.

Download helpers support "Resume" even if the system has shut-down / re-booted
PROVIDED the Site supports the "Resume".

I do not know about the sites like "You_Tube" involved in mutimedia clips etc do support.

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12/06/2007 1:29 PM

It seems u r the only person who tried to answer this question. Thanks.

But, what if I don't want to resume but to store the downloaded portion?

Pls somebody answer this.

And thanks to Hartleytj & Sparkstation, the response was more than I expected, It really boosted my knowledge.

Hey, Sparky what's that In & Out indicate on the Down2Home display?

I really feel proud to be a part of this forum.

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12/06/2007 6:03 PM

Hello again Prashant,

Re "Storing the partly downloaded portion" - This depends on the website you are receiving that data from, and the actual File transfer method you are using - there are file types which are able to auto-resume at the same point after a disconnect from the sender.

There are also special utilities, which can "Manage the Downloads".

In general, a part file is useless, and cannot be properly read by the receiver, as all files have checksum codes inbuilt, in every byte (8th bit) plus the final checksum at the file end - a part file does not have the final checksum, so generally cannot be used or played.

There are "File Splitter" Utilities, and when a File is split using one of these, there is an extra checksum added at the end of each file piece by that "File Splitter" Utility.

The "File Splitter" system is able to auto-reassemble the complete file, but if a "File Piece" is missing, the "File Splitter" is unable to do that reassembly correctly, and you have an unworkable file until the missing "File Piece"or "Pieces" are added.

"Hey, Sparky what's that In & Out indicate on the Down2Home display?"

The "In" refers to Data received (Downloaded) into your Network or Computer.

The "Out" refers to Data sent or Transmitted (Uploaded) from your Network or Computer.

You should find "Down2Home" Utility easy to use,and will find many functions available.

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