Denial Is Still A River in Egypt

Wow. Nobody wishes to touch this thread and the thread gets pulled from the front page. I suppose the CR4 administration will claim a lack of activity merits removal from the front page.

Fewer people.

The bad news is that it will hurt to implement these changes.
True.

It appears that for some people they’ll do a token act of some minuscule part of reducing their carbon footprint, but more so really bitching to others ‘I told you so.’ They are just as much as part of the problem they bitch about.

Even a "token act", as you say is better than total denial and the "Drill, Baby Drill" attitude of those (including your bunch) who would sacrifice their future grandchildren's health to the alter of profit.

But, many children will be dead already because of deadly anti-mask/vaccine mandates by, you guessed it, REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS. WHY? FOR the MONEY!

With the hate you have displayed, all it appears to do is make you feel better from just the hate you have bottled up than actually doing something about it other then preach that’ll actually make a difference.

GOP governors?… yet your silent on the (D) governors that are under investigations because of their corruption and greed. Take your liberal blinders off and stop denying.

Don't bother us with your lies and "yes but Democrats did this BS." If you have nothing constructive to say, butt out!

You need help, cause you are ineffectual in delivering any counter points.

If the truth hurts you, it should.

Pleasant dreams.

The assumption that global warming is caused by humans is misleading at best. The truth is the globe is warming, just as it did 50 million years ago, and 50 million years before that. The proof in what I say is in the FACT that you can find shark teeth high in the rocky mountains.

Yes the globe is warming, but it is very egotistical to think we can stop it, control it, or we (humans), are the cause of it.

No one will die of global warming, we're to smart for that, as the water rises, we'll just step back a bit. It's going to take about 1,000 years (give or take a weekend) before the temp peaks and it starts to cool again.

The panic over global warming is just politics, people want to be in charge and fear is the best motivator for people to want change. Thus the hype.

"The assumption that global warming is caused by humans"

It is NOT an assumption. The basic science is unbelievably simple.

1.) Burning fossil fuels releases CO₂ into the atmosphere. It takes decades to decrease under current conditions. (*)

2.) CO₂ is a green house gas.

3.) Green house gasses cause the the global temperature to rise.

Which one of these three steps do you disagree with?

* The best way to control this may not be to stop burning fossil fuels, but to adopt Solar Eagles suggestion of growing more crops which fix carbon: hemp looks like the favourite, it has hundreds of uses.

"No one will die of global warming"

Haven't you been watching the news?

Why do we have ice ages?

Too many people reaching for a piece of cake.

Some got back in line for seconds and thirds etc…

And it’s usually the same ones that projects their own transgressions onto others.

When it comes to needing psychological help, your history would dictate that you have great experience in blowing your head gasket, and slo g with being CR4’s resident blown head gasket expert.

That I can’t ignore it, I’ll consider it… I’ve considered it, and, no, no,… it’s not me that needs the help.

So you do want this discussion closed.

xkcd comic has once again produced a relevant comic.

Even the scientists at Exxon recognized that fossil fuels drive global warming.

And it was you that complained about googling posting information that like this.

any references,… from EXXON established this trend other than this cartoon

Or data itself to reflect this trend on this graph?

Why would I bother to post a link referencing when Exxon knew their product produced global warming. You'll deny any evidence actually exist, particularly from a respected journal that cites their references. Particularly any evidence that would be easy to Google.

So no, you won’t post references from EXXON to support your cartoon… yet you’ll be the first one that would complains and ask for references.

I’m not going to google, it’s your cartoon you stand behind as fact.

So you have one standard for yourself, and another standard for people that would challenge you.

very lyn of you.

The word "Exxon" in reply #10 has a hyperlink attached.

Oh, who am I kidding? You'll just continue to rage and rant until CR4 closes this thread for uncivilized activities, too. Cancel culture in full swing.

As I said, you're just going to continue to rant and rage until this thread is closed. SA in the article named the scientist that produced the internal to EXXON analysis in 1977. Even if I faxed you a notarized copy of the analysis I expect you will continue to rant and rage despite the Exxon letterhead at the top of the report.

You can borrow this, if you need it

It doesn't remove all the stench but it helps.

↑ ↑ ↑ Personal hygiene tips from an expert. ↑ ↑ ↑

where everyone else would use regular deodorant, lyn personal odor needs a more industrial solution.

We are between Ice Ages 5 and 6. Ice Age 5 ended somewhere between 20 and 12 thousand years ago. I'm neither a scientist or engineer, but I would expect to see a warming trend after an Ice Age. Sort of like it is typically warmer in the northern hemisphere in March than it is in February. But sometimes we even get snow in May. And high 70's in December.

My kweshun is why; don't any of these "SCIENTISTS" "GAIA SOOTHSAYERS", or even reglar folks on this forum ever point to climate patterns 15000 years after Ice Age 1? How 'bout 2? Mebbe 3, OK the easy one, 4?

It's been awhile since I took statistics (as in lies, damned lies, and statistics... S.C.) but I recall that 1500 samples are needed to recreate the whole. Nielson of Nielson Ratings uses 9000 samples.

The oldest core sample is 75,000 years, and Ice Age 5 started 115,000 thousand y.a. How can any soothsayer say today's weather is not normal? What are they comparing it to? TV ratings are more accurate than anything IPCC has created.

Remember this quote "Their measurement had been sheer luck, or perhaps a case of knowing the result they wanted to get-not an uncommon occurrence in science" POTUS DJT. Not really

"why; don't any of these "SCIENTISTS" "GAIA SOOTHSAYERS", or even reglar folks on this forum ever point to climate patterns 15000 years after Ice Age 1?"

You mean a pattern like this

From Skeptical Science

Do you see the problem? Temperature wise we should be on the way down, but, the recent surge in CO₂ emissions is going to force the peak upward. Incidentally the last CO2 reading there is from 1965 at 320 ppm; we are now at over 400 ppm.

Now for the chart. We know that is misinformation at best or more commonly called a lie. It shows green house gases as a block about 3/4 of an inch thick. The common ones are methane and CO₂ combined they make up less than 800 PPM. They show natural items as about the same amount. Therein lays the lie, first they don't mention them and second H₂O is a natural greenhouse gas and it represents 40000 PPM, which if my math is correct, is a bit more than 800 PPM.

Gee, I wonder why they left that out???

You are correct that water vapor is responsible for about 60% of the green house effect. Unfortunately warmer air carries more water vapor than cooler, so this just provides more positive feed back.

Then we should have already died.

Redfred has already explained how the water vapor feedback is self regulating.

..."Today Earth is approaching another minimum of northern sunlight, so without human carbon dioxide emissions we would be heading into another ice age within the next 1,500 years or so."...

https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-earths-climate-changes-naturally-and-why-things-are-different-now-20200721/

..."Plants consume carbon dioxide—a significant greenhouse gas—in the process of photosynthesis. The reduction of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has an indirect cooling effect. Plants also cool the atmosphere because they release water vapor when they get hot, a process similar to sweating."...May 6, 2002

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/LAI/LAI2.php#:~:text=Plants%20consume%20carbon%20dioxide%E2%80%94a,a%20process%20similar%20to%20sweating

...."Earth has continued to grow green since the turn of the century and this could help moderate global warming, according to new maps released by the United States National Aeronautics and Space Administration's (NASA). ... NASA had in February 2019 established that earth was greener than it was in the 1980s."...Feb 18, 2020.

...."A significant increase in green cover in boreal and Arctic regions was observed in the new maps, which researchers attributed to rising temperatures. For example, Svalbard in the high-Arctic saw a 30 per cent increase in greenness, according to Rama Nemani of NASA’s Ames Research Center and co-author of review paper. The green cover grew with an increase in mean summer temperature from to 4.7° Celsius from 2.9° Celsius (37.2° to 40.5° Fahrenheit) between 1986 and 2015.

Authors of the paper reviewed more than 250 published articles and found that the global greening was due to increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Interestingly, this phenomenon made earth cooler; as vegetation consumed carbon dioxide, it performed evapotranspiration. According to scientists, global greening since the early 1980s may have reduced global warming by as much as 0.2° to 0.25° Celsius."...

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/climate-change/earth-getting-greener-nasa-s-new-maps-confirm-69361#:~:text=Earth%20has%20continued%20to%20grow,and%20Space%20Administration's%20(NASA).&text=NASA%20had%20in%20February%202019,it%20was%20in%20the%201980s.

Spaceship Earth certainly has many negative feedback loops. If it didn't, I doubt we would exist today.

..."The global average and combined land and ocean surface temperature, show a warming of 0.85 [0.65 to 1.06] °C, in the period 1880 to 2012, based on multiple independently produced datasets. This gives a trend of 0.064 ± 0.015 °C per decade over that period."...

Seems the cooling is matching the warming....in any case I don't think anybody can say for sure who will win this horse race...my guess is that the lead will change hands several times over the next 2000 years...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record

From your source:

"Shilong Piao of Peking University, and lead author of the paper, said:"This greening and associated cooling is beneficial, but reducing carbon emissions is still needed in order to sustain the habitability of our planet."

CO2; its about much more than just climate.

A continuing human evolution requires an understanding of, and then action regarding the rate of change in partial pressures of four atmospheric gases; H2O, CO2, O2, and N2.
H2O because of the positive thermal feed back loop it forms with rising planetary temperature.
CO2, in addition to its affect on atmospheric IR opacity, becomes important at low concentrations because Animalia respiration requires it to be offloaded into its surrounding partial pressure (atmosphere) or molar concentration (ocean). The higher those values are in the surrounding environment the higher the internal cell concentration must be to support an equal rate of gas transfer; and therefor, rate of cellular respiration. The atmosphere partial pressure of CO2 has increased by over 50 percent since the industrial revolution. This requires a proportional increase of CO2 internal to the cell to sustain the same rate of cellular respiration given the same cell membrane constructs.
O2 and N2 because they are measurable and finite consumables that power life on this little space ship. A sustained human evolution requires that human consumption and natural weathering of those two gases be matched or exceeded by our planet's rate of regeneration of those two gases or we become extinct; taking most other forms of Animalia with us.
Because of scale, I am confident Homo sapiens' only hope for a continuing evolution lies with our ability to stabilize the partial pressure of those four gases by rebuilding the natural processes that moderate our planet’s chemistry; and we are going to need every bit of human resource we can muster to do it.