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HADJI APPLIANCES

12/11/2007 10:14 PM

Just recently got back from Iraq after a 7 month stint with my Guard unit. As an engineer our job was to bulid the first base back in Feb. 07 for the troop surge. All of the American electrical assets (power gen) were typically 120/208 3ph 4w...unfortunately we sometimes had to feed Hadji (Iraqi for "man") appliances which were 230v single phase (one hot leg of 230v). The way we made this work was to feed the appliance, i.e., clippers, coolers, etc, with two 120v legs instead of (1) 230v leg and (1) neut. This seemed to work fine?! What, if any would be the long term problems associated with doing this???? MSGT. Martin Philpott

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12/11/2007 10:36 PM

Well... not much. If your system was 120/208 3ph 4w what you were sending to those Hadji appliances was 208 volts which is close enough.

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12/12/2007 12:19 AM

Load balancing and safety.

Since you are talking about a 3 phase system, your equipment was designed to use all 3 phases (L1,L2,L3, Neutral) in a balanced manner. If the Hadji loads were of a small enough current draw, that isn't a big deal. If the current draw on one leg is too large (in relation to the others), then you will run into problems. Usually the safeties will kick-in and kill the generator.

The other thing is safety. Since each phase has a potential above ground/neutral, it could give somebody a pretty bad jolt. An itermediary transformer would be a better way to go, but hey, it's a war zone, and they are lucky to be getting any power.

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12/12/2007 2:35 AM

Hello Martin,

There should be no trouble, as stated above, providing the load was balanced fairly equally across all secondary windings.

However, all appliances using that 208 volt secondary should have a dual-pole switch, to properly isolate both legs of the supply.

My suggestion would be to earth that secondary neutral point, and also connect it with an extra wire to the metallic chassis or frame of each load appliance.

I don't know what your local arrangements are, and presume in the hot desert conditions, an earth stake would be of little use.

If your arrangements are more than immediately temporary, an earth mat under the appliances, bonded to the appliance chassis would also be useful to prevent stray shocks.

If you are in permanent buildings, and those have steel reinforced concrete or steel portal framing, bond all exposed metal, stainless steel bench-tops, appliance frames/chassis etc, to that star point.

In that way, the shock potential is minimised.

You could also use ELCB protection, but if your floor is desert sand, that is not going to work, at all.

Here in New Zealand, we use 400v 3 phase/230v single phase MEN (Multiple Earthed Neutral System), where every switchboard has connection to a local earth stake. NZ soils are fairly conductive, so that works fine here.

Please advise here further, your progress, thank you....

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12/13/2007 6:21 AM

Dear Sparkstation,

you give some of the best answers I have seen in this area, long may you reign!!

Another perfect answer in a very "readable" format....

I vote for you almost every time I see something from you!!

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12/13/2007 7:47 AM

All very good answers,

If I were you I would also slow down the gen set's RPM to get 50 cycles for those rotating Hadji's appliances.

However, there are some (or maybe many) Hadjis that I would connect directly to the 3φ 400V system. (with strings attached)

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