Ancient Maps

“There are ancient maps showing Antarctica without ice. There are many of these maps from different sources.”

This has intrigued me for years. Yes, how did this come about, how did they know? However, these maps are often also festooned with cautions such as ‘Here be Dragons’ or ‘Here be Cynocephalae’, so the concept of poetic license was embraced by these cartographers.

Your bit about Alexandria charging a harbor fee of world knowledge is new to me. A government actually using income to benefit their populace? Uplifting! There may be hope for humanity after all.

Whew! Thinking about just a few points of one of your posts tuckers me out. I need to have a nap, get myself a little sleep.

Your topic of "Ancient Maps" hooked me, but it turned out you are talking about "prehistoric" maps. My interests are for maps "only" not even 200 years old--circa middle 1800s. The best I have found is the Sanborn Fire Insurance maps available thru many local libraries--at least in Ohio. But the earliest for Louisville, OH, is 1895.

Have you ever heard of the Ice Age?

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I have heard of it.

I believe it is overrated.

Are you suggesting that a map believed to have been created in the early 16th century of the current era (so, about 500 years ago) was actually created +/- 110,000 years ago?

However, if your comment refers to time travel or the flying saucers I can make no connection whatsoever; please expand.

The ice penetrating radar did not exist before the 1980's and this map is so precise that it had to have been made before ice covered the continent, or they had ice penetrating radar many hundreds, if not thousands of years ago.

There has been plenty of Earth time for other intelligent species to develop and vanish.

Glaciers and plate subduction can erase all traces. Their remains may be ejected from present day volcanoes.

I honestly hate to pop your balloon, but this entire idea that the Piri Reis map depicts the Antarctica land mass under the ice is false.

Restated, the deglaciated topography of Antarctica shows no similarities with the Piri Reis map of 1513CE.

There is no pre-classical undiscovered civilization. The claims that the Piri Reis map remnant is somehow proof of ancient astronauts, flying saucers, or a lost civilization comparable to Atlantis… balloon juice, all of it.

Human Hubris is always louder than logic.

It is not logical to jump from ‘I don’t understand how it was accomplished’ to ‘Aliens did it’.

This is a leap of faith; if that is a belief that is held, then it is a truth for the believer.

Is quantum mechanics logical?

Oh, man, come on.

Quantum mechanics are fundamental theories, as well as a barrel of red herring.

You’re grasping at straws here.

The first sentence of your original post is flawed; the deglaciated land mass known as Antarctica is not accurately represented in any ancient map. As I said in #1, the referenced map was created by an imaginative cartographer with a financial stake in reporting information of discoveries made during a sponsored exploration. If you wish to believe otherwise, then by all means hold that belief near and dear.

You are right. I will never argue with you.

Now, wait… I never mentioned Annunaki.

Archons, could have been them Archons. Or Grebulons, maybe.

Oh, as I said earlier, it is difficult to see any comment on this thread as OT, this comment is marked accordingly.

The poster assume that there were no ice in previous eras, and there was plenty of ice.

But this is about maps and aliens and I just focused on Ice. (perhaps off topic)

As I read again my comment to you (#4) it sounds a bit snarky.

I apologize, my friend. I misunderstood your comment.

I am thinking that there are no off topic remarks to be made on this thread, so I wouldn’t sweat it too much.

The poster assume that there were no ice in previous eras, and there was plenty of ice.

But this is about maps and aliens and I just focused on Ice. (perhaps off topic)

There has never been any ancient hi tech society here on earth.

We would have found their plastics, chemicals, alloys, volatiles and isotopes. Humans leave a mess.

I could be wrong. Has there ever been a noble society?

And if there are aliens, they have to be inside the earth. It’s the only source that would allow such an occurrence.

My comment is complete opinion/supposition. The author has no proof. But sleeps well at night.

Here is another little bit of grist for the mill.

https://illumeably.net/posts/10-ancient-maps-that-show-antarctica-without-ice/

#7.7 and #3.3 obviously got misplaced.

Illumeably?

Really?

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And, a YouTube homepage:

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There has never been any ancient hi tech society here on earth. I have a bit of evidence the other way--that there was a society before us. I hope the nit pickers don't zap me because it looks religious to some! Very early dietary rules in the Bible came from some sort of knowledge--trichinosis from under-cooked pork being just one of them. Those rules were attributed to their god, but they came from some sort of prehistoric knowledge (before our history!) Somehow this dietary info was transferred to us, but I have no idea how.

Primitive man could still observe cause and effect and figure out what made their gods happy or angry. If the gods had a thing about undercooked meat, best stay on their good side.

"There has never been any ancient hi tech society here on earth."

I think it depends on your definition of high tech: Antikythera mechanism for example. Built around100BCE, seems pretty high tech for the time.

In long time, the surface will be subducted into the molten phase and spewed out as lava, no previous tech recognizable. Mountains were once on the bottom of oceans.

No stratification layers, just unhomogenized lava.

That knowledge was given, in command. Because at that time it wouldn’t be understood. Many of the dietary rules, the symbols, and ceremonies are not understood until in the future in the same way.

Futuristic meanings. And understandings.

Most academics would call this coincidence.

Those who obeyed did so, not knowing why, except in a general way. A faith in the law.

Many did not. And thus Hebrew history.

But neither unknown or that old. And not hi tech.

But if we find strange architecture, infrastructure, foreign apparatus and records, 10 miles down….. then we have something.

To really learn, you must let go of ego, pride, prejudice and hate.

You must not defend the status quo, for they are self protective. and will not tolerate challenges.

I know I have mentioned this before, but Brontosaurus had the wrong head attached. Many knew it, but all were afraid to challenge the authority that placed it there till after he died then the truth was known. Same with the Sphinx.. Erosion that had to have been done by water instead of wind ,but everyone is afraid to acknowledge it because history only goes back around 5000 years.

The stones of the pyramids have sea shells mixed uniformly throughout, yet the quarry has them in layers, as is natural. This hints at ancient concrete and the blocks poured, not cut.

All mold seams could easily be ground and sanded down smooth.

Everyone is afraid to embrace this idea for fear of being ostracized as an idiot.

I am sure my comments will go in the same file as them.

No problem: Dilligaf? it is just an opinion which has equal value with all others.

Interesting about the pyramid blocks. Carving those blocks and hauling them to the top so they fit nicely seems like a real stretch. It's easier to believe the blocks were raised in liquid form (concrete) and poured in place.

I have read all of Zecharia Sitchin's books. I was aware of the Piri Reis map before that, and if you take Zecharia's view, the it is easy to see that the map was real. .. but current searches and chats with AI seem to be saying that the correspondence with radar surveys arent as convincing as they first seemed.. Piri Reis map - Wikipedia

Skeptoid did an excellent episode about this. Conclusion: impossible. Main problem is that our species hasn't been around long enough for more than one round. There are of course true believers that think another intelligent species was there first, but this is neither provable nor disprovable, so not worth discussing.

Really intriging.

When looking at the Wiki link, these maps are curiously modern. I wonder if the scales and the distances between the continents could provide info about their age using the continent drift?

Also, they mostly figure out that the continents are different tectonic plates. I believe that this understanding is relatively recent.

Not only Antarctica but the Artic is often shown. Not something you can easily explore in a papyrus boat...

Finally, their point of view is interesting. From the top, or Africa in the center... This tends to point to the origin of the map author as we tend to place our home in the center of the world...

This has been around for quite a few years now. I think it has been posted somewhere here before.. I find it quite convincing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJcp13hAO3U&t=2s